The truth about Snoke (Attention: TLJ Spoilers)

We all watched Snoke die. I don’t get what the fuss is about.

Then again, we all heard that Plagueis was dead too...

Turns out many Star Wars fans are as stubborn as mules.

I, for one, am quite happy to take it at face value: no more dead/not dead big bad guys. Hooray!

 

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 19, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 19, 2017 ---

I definitely agree with this theory,but ihave one issue. If Snoke had been a projection how would he have used force lightning agaisnt kylo? I can understand why he could toss rey around because its no different than him using the force on hux earlier in the movie, but im not sure if the same rule would apply with force lightning

 

I am also quite happy to take it at face value... Your profile pic

10/10 good joke

 

Face value? Face value?!

 

I like this theory, discussing this stuff is just a great part of enjoying Star Wars as a hobby.

 

That's why I'm pretty sure it's a dummy he's controlling and not himself set as a projection

 

This guy gets it

Perfectly said.

 

This is a great post and encapsulates everything I feel/know about TLJ. My main gripe with it (I think it's a good movie, generally) is how it obliterated the entire purpose of TFA which was ALL about the search for the map leading to Skywalker by both the Resistance and First Order. It literally re-writes that movie's plot, renders it meaningless and I doubt that JJ will have time to revisit this in IX in order to make the suitable corrections as Luke is now dead and the story must march onwards. Additionally, as you point out, as far as Kylo Ren is concerned, Luke died when he destroyed the temple, according to TLJ, so there is a story gap here.

I wonder how nobody at LFL caught all of this. Presumably, somebody MUST have and pointed it out but Rian and/or Disney simply did not care and assumed/didn't care that such a massive fanbase wouldn't notice, which is fairly troubling to me as these are such important elements and diminish both movies.

And thanks for pointing out the working name for IX - I completely missed the front page report.

 

Yep no more tragic stories at the opera..

 

Maybe Kylo will venture to the Unknown Regions to try to find Snoke's darkside power source?

Nah, that would be too interesting for the ST.

 

Rian, you're gonna pay for what you've done !!!

 

i don't think the comments from rian rule anything out. it wasn't exactly a hard line of questioning, asking about potential contradictions to the snoke character. ie why is dude all super powerful and all knowing then stupid and tricked? why now if he's been living so long. he was totally aware of went down with vader & the emperor yet a similar thing happens. he also knows everything happening on the ben & rey side.

lukes entire thread is about ben being turned to the dark side (snoke was there from the womb) yet he says nothing about him. is he meant to be super powerful, or not? he says he knows who ben is going to strike, were the mind reading powers broken or something? because he has a few tricks in TLJ. for all we know he may be able to do much more or have different abilities to luke. everything in the movie we actually see suggests master manipulation.

and the numerous clues as to how it might work narratively, darth plagueis fits the best - rule of two set-up. rian isn't gonna just spoil any surprises he may or may not have set up.

 

Forgive me if this has already been discussed; but if kylo was turning the Skywalker lightsaber towards snoke with the force, who was turning Kylo’s lightsaber? We saw them both moving at the same time.

So we have 2 possibilities, kylo was turning BOTH at the same time which could explain (although poorly) why snoke didn’t sense kylo was turning the Skywalker saber.

The other possibility is snoke knew all along what kylo was doing “he turns the light saber to strike true, I can see who he intends to kill” and that in fact it was SNOKE who was turning Kylo’s lightsaber.

Thoughts?

 

I doubt the Snoke/Plagueis theory is true, but I hope it is for the sake of the Star Wars story. If we learned anything from The Last Jedi, it's that the writers do not care and/or loathe our fan theories. This was evident from the opening scene with Luke & Rey when Luke tosses the lightsaber over his shoulder as if to say "oh you thought this was important because of the force vision in TFA? Nope! Hahaha". Jokes on us. The two most intriguing questions after TFA (for me anyway) was who are Rey's parents, and who is Snoke. The answer we got to these questions was "they're both irrelevant". Again, jokes on us for thinking these plot points were important.

If Snoke is really dead, he becomes the most worthless character in Star Wars for me (yes, even more so than Jar Jar). If he was only a plot device for Kylo's decent into darkness, why create him as a character at all? You could have introduced Kylo in TFA as the big bad and have him be corrupted/trained by force ghost Palpatine. At least that would tie in with the PT and OT. Instead we get a character that doesn't exist pre TFA, but apparently has been around in the background the whole time. Who is supposed to be more powerful than Vader & Palpatine & clouded in mystery. Only to kill him off after maybe 10 minutes of screen time between 2 films and not give any of his back story. Utterly WORTHLESS.

TLJ would have been an epic episode 9. Problem is, I don't really see where we go from here. Luke is dead. Snoke is dead. Rey's parents don't matter. All we're left with is Rey vs Kylo and the construction of a new Jedi Order. Yawn. Rey already defeated Kylo in TFA, so it's hard for me to get excited about seeing that again.

 

I was also bummed these weren't answered, but what we DO learn is amazing -- Luke DID start a Jedi Academy. Ben DID turn to the DS there. There AREthere's plenty of room for that in Ep IX.

 

But we learned all of that in TFA.

 

Obviously Kylo was the one turning the lightsaber in his hand. And yes I agree perhaps Snoke knew all along what was going to happen and he is not dead or else this trilogy is done...