1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

The truth about Snoke (Attention: TLJ Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. GhostofQuiGonJinn

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2017
    Posts:
    15
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    17
    Credits:
    264
    Ratings:
    +67 / 0 / -0
    There is much more going on than meets the eye in this movie. I think people are taking things far too much at face value and not looking enough at the symbolism and that might point to an entirely different explanation. I don't believe Snoke is dead, and Rey's true parentage is revealed:

    1. Regarding Rey’s parentage. No one should believe what we are told in the movie - that Rey’s parents were scrapyard dealers who sold her off. When she has her ‘cave’ experience and she saw herself mirrored infinite times, both she and we (the audience) were led to believe she was going to come face to face with the answer regarding her heritage, only for Rey to ultimately come face to face with... herself. There was a very important message here. To me this is a communication that Rey is her own parent - she is a pure manifestation of the Living Force (another Anakin Skywalker basically) which would explain her incredible power.

    It needs to be remembered that in The Last Jedi, Rey is repeatedly told she is “nobody” and “no-one”. We need to think about those words. “No-Body”. Remember what happened to Luke at the end end of movie when he died and merged with the force? His body disappeared and he became One with the force. He became “no body”. So I take Rey being told she is “no body” and “no one” as a Buddhist type analogy - she represents the Force, which exists outside of the self, outside of the ego and outside the body.


    2. Regarding Snoke. I’m not sure entirely why people would be so quick to think Snoke was dead, unless they believe what they ‘saw’. The movie takes great pains in the final act to show us that we the audience, and the characters in the movie themselves, can be deceived by an illusion - i.e. when Luke appears to be physically present on Crait, but is in actual fact not really there at all. It is possible that Snoke’s presence in the throne room (and his apparnt ‘death’) was due to an even more powerful illusion - this could either have been orchestrated by both Kylo and Snoke (ie. it was a set up with both of them involved) or it was an illusion masterminded by Snoke himself only, to deceive Kylo also. Bottom like, I believe Snoke will appear again in episode IX. He is very powerful.
     
    • Like x 4
    • Wise x 3
    • Great Post x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • Hopeful x 1
  2. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Problem with this is we get a rather unpleasant shot of his now bug eyed dead body.

    Maybe Luke's later astral projection IS meant to key us into a posthumous realisation that dead Snoke=fake Snoke?

    I'm just struggling to think of how exactly.

    I don't think Kylo was in on it. He was too reactionary and I think it was a spur of the moment decision for him.

    But that leads credence to the idea if Snoke read his mind and each and every one of his whims, as well as orchestrated the whole thing with him and Rey, then he must've seen and planned for his death?
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
  3. GhostofQuiGonJinn

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2017
    Posts:
    15
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    17
    Credits:
    264
    Ratings:
    +67 / 0 / -0

    Well we have been told on multiple occasions that Snoke is more powerful than Sidious.. so I more than believe that's more than possible
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  4. master_shaitan

    master_shaitan Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2015
    Posts:
    7,119
    Likes Received:
    10,292
    Trophy Points:
    144,192
    Credits:
    15,602
    Ratings:
    +19,239 / 799 / -292
    I think he’s dead, but...

    He was so powerful. Is it out of the question that he did know what Ren was planning and allowed it so that Ren would take his final steps? Was Snoke’s broken body some kind of vessel?

    I doubt it, but it fills me with joy that the Plagueis debate isn’t over! I need something to ship now that ReyRandom and ReyLo have been confirmed!!
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Friendly Friendly x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  5. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    The bit in the guide seals it for me. "He always hides his real appearance. Even when seen by others."

    We had projections in first film, why can't it be unrealistic he simply has another, maybe 3D, form of illusion?
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 1
  6. Mr Hux

    Mr Hux Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Posts:
    393
    Likes Received:
    376
    Trophy Points:
    2,552
    Credits:
    937
    Ratings:
    +690 / 72 / -49
    Lies.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  7. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Maybe he is hiding in Rens mind then?

    As for OT point-I think Reylo has a small chance of happening in IX. Maybe ship FinnRose?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. GhostofQuiGonJinn

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2017
    Posts:
    15
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    17
    Credits:
    264
    Ratings:
    +67 / 0 / -0
    • Like Like x 2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. Lukee1811

    Lukee1811 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2017
    Posts:
    235
    Likes Received:
    2,459
    Trophy Points:
    10,967
    Credits:
    2,127
    Ratings:
    +2,790 / 11 / -0
    Renperor, ReyRandom, Reylo. The catchphrases :D I love them! What's next? Huxma?
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    HAKUNA MATATA!
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  11. r70

    r70 Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2015
    Posts:
    58
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    2,767
    Credits:
    922
    Ratings:
    +176 / 2 / -0
    I've seen Leia kissing Luke and later found out they where brother and sister... It doesn't get any weirder than that. I believed it then, I'll believe anything now. I really need to go see the movie again, can't stop thinking about it.

    Edit: spelling mistake sorry.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  12. master_shaitan

    master_shaitan Jedi General

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2015
    Posts:
    7,119
    Likes Received:
    10,292
    Trophy Points:
    144,192
    Credits:
    15,602
    Ratings:
    +19,239 / 799 / -292
    ReyLo has happened. But it won’t go any further in my view. ReyLo covered multiple scenarios but was based upon the idea that they were not related yet connected on a very deep level. It didn’t mean romance but that there would be an attraction that may or may not be followed.

    ReyLo for me was clearly hinted at in tFA and that’s why I shipped it. I’m not sure what direction things will go in now and need to get a 3rd viewing in before I even begin to make predictions.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  13. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Ah ok. I agree with that.

    I hope we can further discuss it after your third viewing! I'm booking my second viewing for TLJ too!

    Back on topic, I think that Snoke's motive is another important part of this theory? Just why fake his death?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. BobRoss

    BobRoss Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    Just think of how the story developed after Snoke's death. There are a couple of things Snoke has achieved with his death:

    - Kylo has given himself over to the dark side completely.
    - Kylo has "killed" his own master. A rite of passage for any sith apprentice. Imagine if Rey switched sides and became Kylo's apprentice. Then the rule of two would start all over again.
    - Kylo failed at obtaining the map to Skywalker and capturing Rey. So Snoke took matters into his own hands and lured both of them out of hiding
    - Luke had to use all his power to stop the unleashed Kylo. He died in the process so one of Snoke's most powerful enemies is now gone.
    - Cheating death is the signature move of Darth Plagueis. You see where this is going. An evil even greater than Darth Sidious himself. Not only did he bamboozle the Emperor but also us, the audience.

    There might be more to it than just that but as you can see there are already plenty of reasons why Snoke would have tricked Kylo, Rey, Luke and the audience by faking his own death.
     
    #54 BobRoss, Dec 14, 2017
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 14, 2017
    • Great Post Great Post x 4
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 2
  15. PartyOnDarth

    PartyOnDarth Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Posts:
    134
    Likes Received:
    223
    Trophy Points:
    672
    Credits:
    780
    Ratings:
    +344 / 28 / -11
    Very good theory. Hopefully true, but possibly wishful thinking also. You're right in that the giveaway may be his lack of physical interaction with anyone or anything. I hope you're right, because if he is dead it would be the worst waste of a good character in cinema for a long time. If you're right it would be a great twist for the next movie, and possibly the only chance for retribution for Kylo, who no doubt would end up teaming up with Rey to stop him for good.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  16. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Great! Motive part check!

    Dunno about Plaguis, didn't someone say he wasn't him?

    I'm really buying this now. His death just felt like such a copout!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  17. AfroJedi69

    AfroJedi69 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    May 20, 2015
    Posts:
    1,196
    Likes Received:
    1,914
    Trophy Points:
    8,217
    Credits:
    2,797
    Ratings:
    +3,136 / 127 / -55
    So...Snoke was really Smoke; as in screen! Smokescreen! I bet you that's why the writers named him that!!:D
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  18. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Snoke on the water!

    Where there's fire! There's Snoke!

    Oh my god! You're snoking a Snoke!

    I'll see myself out.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  19. BobRoss

    BobRoss Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    To "quote" Obi Wan: Snoke isn't Plagueis. At least not from a certain point of view... Snoke is a forceprojection created by Plagueis but not the Sithlord himself. We have only asked ourself the question "IS Snoke Plagueis" but never "Is Snoke somehow linked to Plagueis". That's a big difference.

    When Snoke was revealed for the first time people eagerly jumped onto the Plagueis theory. And why wouldn't they. It seemed so fitting. An even greater evil behind the emperor. The one capable of cheating death, so powerful that he became a sith legend. The one to connect all 3 trilogies. However, Disney realized that immediately introducing us to Plagueis would be too obvious and thus not really satisfying. They also know that "mystery" is great for making people curious and buy tickets whenerver a new movie is released. So what they did with TFA and TLJ is they shattered all our hopes of seeing Plagueis only to reveal him in the very last episode. If they really pull this off then we, the audience, would have a firsthand experience what a master manipulator Plagueis really is because he managed to deceive us all. It would be a great plot twist AND Disney could give fans the antagonist they have been wanting from the beginning.
     
    #59 BobRoss, Dec 14, 2017
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 14, 2017
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  20. Withred

    Withred Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Posts:
    1,039
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    Trophy Points:
    5,567
    Credits:
    1,549
    Ratings:
    +2,261 / 22 / -18
    Maybe. It would fit their MO of subverting audience expectations. Like every scene in TLJ.
     
Loading...

Share This Page