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The two things I find myself wanting in (or not in) R1

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Benjamin Lewis, May 5, 2016.

  1. Benjamin Lewis

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    1. The crew of Rebels who successfully steal and transmit the DS1 plans, should die in the end of the film (which should be VERY close to the beginning of ANH). The film should help us to care about these characters, and then have them killed as they complete their mission.

    "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!"

    ^This line should invoke some serious emotions after we see R1.


    2. Don't shoehorn Boba Fett into this movie.
     
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    i agree with both of these statements. less on the Boba Fett part, but i do hope they leave him out... let him show up in the Solo movie or something (although i'd prefer Jabba to be the bad guy in that one).
     
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    If we get bounty hunters, I want Boba to be the one to finish the job and mercilessly kill the Rebels, along with a live-action Cad Bane as rumored. But if the plot doesn't need them, or even Vader, then that's still worthy of a war film. From what we're hearing, Jyn will be the last one, unless my dream of Diego Luna playing Biggs plays out. That will make me bawl knowing he died because of the slightest of mistakes after stealing the plans, which was probably even more dangerous.
     
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    As much as I hate The Holiday Special it would dilute from Boba's legendary status of being born from that :p
     
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    Well here I will have to quote old Ben by saying that it all depends on a certain point of view. I mean, why do all the characters have to die for the story to be powerful? Even if some of these characters live to see another day we can still have an awesome movie if it's story is told correctly. Many people assume that because all these characters are new and we don't see them in future movies, it only makes sense if they all bite the dust but what if some of these characters don't exactly join the Rebellion? There are many types of characters in SW that could fit this label and become very interesting without the need of dying. A Bounty Hunter would do everything in his/her power to get the job done yet at the end of the day he/she would just walk away when the mission was done. Take Han as an example. Had it not been for his change of heart (most being thanks to Chewie) he would have participated in a galaxy changing event where the Rebelion had their first incredible victory against the Empire and Han would have simply walked away and not gotten involved. Would that have made Han's character less cool and charming? No way! He would have still done everything that fans liked about him like shooting Greedo WITHOUT him getting a first shot, arguing with Luke, Ben and Leia, chasing Stormtroopers and doing all the reckless and crazy things that Han does. In order to not tarnish him, all Lucas had to do was make Han return to save the day by rescuing Luke in the Death Star battle and just flying away while saying his goodbyes. He would have been awesome, we would still love him, he would have been part of an incredibly event in the history of the Rebelion even if he would have been a character that walked away. We would have loved his role in the film yet we would still want to see him again and that's what I think they can pull off with a few characters in Rogue One. By creating a solid team of likable characters and then having some of them die while others make great sacrifices to complete the mission would still make for a great story even if some of them survive.
     
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    The only reason I'd like them to die is so that Vader gets that epic moment where he kicks some rebel ass full-power, in a way we've never seen him do before on screen. For me, that is a worthy cause for all of them to die! *evil laughs* (dark)(emperor)
     
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    Oh you evil Podracer Pilot dude! Why do you taunt me with the Dark Side! My Amanin bounty hunter instincts must not.............Aaaarrrg! You got me there dude. Seeing Vader getting epic on those Rebel scums is something I'd love to see as well!
     
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    I agree that they certainly don't HAVE to die, but I'm all for seeing most of them bite the dust if it serves the story being told.

    PS, I enjoy your comments my friend, but could I convince you to insert some paragraph breaks here and there? It just makes them a little easier to read :).
     
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    No problemo my friend! I'll try to get better on them paragraph breaks! :)
     
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    Because that's how Lucas had envisioned the fate of all the Rebel spies and thieves on this particular mission?

    ANH almost final screenplay January 1, 1976:

    LEIA

    The senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic…

    VADER

    Don’t play games with me senator.You’ve passed through a restricted system. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by spies, who are now unfortunately dead. Where is the data they sent you?
     
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    I reckon having all of them dead - I mean, the Rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans - would make watching the beginning of ANH even more poignant.

    Then we would understand the desperation in Princess Leia's voice in the recording for Obi-Wan:

    "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You are my only hope."

    If we find there are any guys left from the ones who stole the plans, it would be awesome. Maybe they survived without keeping a backup of the plans so it is still so important to get Artoo to Alderaan to get the readout of the plans and find a flaw to destroy the Death Star.
     
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    I imagine we will all get attached to them as well. Just have to brace ourselves. I am sure it will mostly be a bloodbath. Wonder if we get the Bothan Spies at some point for DS2?
     
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    That would be cool too. And maybe we base our assumptions regarding the fate of the Rebel spies on Mon Mothma's statement about the fate of the Bothans that got the information about the Second Death Star.
     
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    Yeah but you said something EXTREMELY important and that's ''Lucas had envisioned'' After TFA we all saw how ''important'' Lucas's ideas were. Disney is playing a whole new ballgame and if they can see a profit in leaving survivers from Rogue One for future movies then we all know what they are going to do with the ideas that Lucas came up with.
     
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    While at first blush I think this would be cool, I wonder if this would work out with Rebels being an ongoing series. Would it give away too much so that the TV series becomes less interesting? Probably the key question in the TV series is whether or not Ezra will fall to the dark side. If Ezra is shown in R1, that would take the mystery out of the TV show. I know that we already knew that Anakin was going to fall to the dark side while watching the PT, but that is a different thing. I don't think the TV show holds the same kind of gravitas as the movies.
     
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    It's hard for me to view things that way, because I have never found Rebels (or CW) to be remotely interesting or worthwhile. Quite the opposite really.
     
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    Thing i want to see in rogue one: a reason this story had to be told. (Not saying that to be cynical, i just want it to be a great two hours of cinema)

    Thing i don't want to see in rogue one: Vader added to draw an audience only to have him lose. If this cast encounters him the consequences better be dire. Let's not diminish the power of the fallen chosen one.
     
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    We need to keep some things in mind for this: the rating and which company this franchise now belongs to. Also, the fact that Star Wars, for all intents and purposes, is a franchise aimed at children, at least the movies are.

    I certainly expect many deaths, but for certain, I don't see Disney killing all the characters off. Most probably Jyn will survive (with the help of her father, I imagine), but in the expense of everyone else's life (including her father's) and she will be presumed dead by the Empire as well. Maybe Diego Luna's character (forgot the name) as well, but I don't see it.

    Regarding the rating, I expect a PG13 at best, so no bloodbath. R is out of the question, because well, Disney. Something like the presumed "bloodbath" in the comic Vader Down would be ideal, IMO. Deaths, but no blood on screen.

    However, my biggest fear would be them killing many characters for shocking value. Vader is supposed to be ruthless here, yes and I do hope he is, but they must be very careful, because it'd be so easy for the team to fall and us not only not caring, but also enjoying it. That's... not good. If R1 is told well, we must feel devastation and sadness over their deaths and not cheer for Vader. At least, that's supposed to be the intention. The result is another story.

    I'd hate to see Boba Fett in R1 though.
     
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    The reason why I doubt that i will be seeing this movie before it comes out on Bluray.
    I have always been looking forward to seeing new lightsaber battles in Star Wars films. Always been looking forward to see new characters connect to the force, and R1 is apparently not about lightsaber battles and the force. So unless someone who sees the film tells me that Vader is in it and he slays some rebels, I wont be seeing it in the theaters.
     
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    You make a good point on all counts. The implied bloodbath can actually be more effective anyway. I hope that the all ages rule of star wars doesn't soften the story up too much though. I'd still like to be comfortable with a 10 year old seeing the movie, but i hope it can be gritty too.
     
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