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The unsaid "problem" with ROS...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by HothLeia, Dec 23, 2019.

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    The titles don't prove they had an arc.

    There wasn't a plan. And the trilogy was far from cohesive. Honestly, it isn't even that big of a deal that there was no plan because the OT didn't really have a plan either. But stop claiming there was. Rian has said there was no plan. Colin confirmed there was no plan. JJ and KK basically admitted there was no plan when talking about Palp's return. And the editor speaking about that god awful kiss. Leaks have shown there was no plan.

    Palp wasn't to come back until recently, which is pretty strong evidence that Rey wasn't originally a Palpatine. More evidence, of course, is that TLJ said she was a nobody!!!

    You can like them. But there was no plan.

    Saying "Ben Solo will be redeemed by the end of our trilogy" isn't a plan. Its an end point, sure. But not a plan.

    The titles make sense for sure. But naming a film doesn't mean there was a plan for the saga lol lol.

    Hell, there wasn't even a plan from movie to movie. ROS ignored Rose, through out Rey nobody (without explaining why Ben thought they were nobodies), did not follow through on Luke's sacrifice inspiring the galaxy, etc.

    TLJ, of course, ignored things in TFA- entire characters even. No way they cast Lupita thinking she'd just get cameos in the next couple movies. There was no Kylo training. Etc.

    Please, please stop saying there was a plan. THERE WAS NO PLAN. It has literally been confirmed.


    As far as the topic-

    Carrie passing was very sad for many many reasons. But this film did not honor her or her character. Lando was able to rally the galaxy in an hour when Leia coudln't in a year. She just barely decided to force skype Ben to save him. She wasn't able to build on her bro's sacrifice. The list goes on.


    They shouldn't have tied their hands like this. They should have honored Carrie by making a great film. Use scenes that work. Have her pass between films, starting the redemption of her son. Be the only Star Wars movie that says "For Carrie" before A long time ago. Have Luke play a major role, but talk about Leia a lot. Maybe even have the crawl explain that Leia is the one who figured out Palp is back before she passed, rather than have him send out a mass email.

    Etc. And you can still have her force ghost at some point.

    JJ (and a lot of fans) are using the Carrie thing to excuse a completely non-nonsensical movie.

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    Who said that the titles had anything to do with there being an 'arc' for the Trilogy? I was merely making an observation that I found interesting in response to a couple of earlier posts.

    "There wasn't a plan" in that there wasn't a single predetermined outline for each film in terms of an overarching and unifying narrative theme; that doesn't mean that these films were just made 'willy nilly' with zero care or consideration for each individual filmmaking team's choices and making sure that each film honored said choices and worked within the frameworks set by them.
     
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    I happened to do a rewatch of Rogue One a couple nights ago, and really thought Governor Tarkin was well-done. My spouse was kind of looking over my shoulder (he's not a big SW fan but knows the story) and he didn't even realize Tarkin was CGI. However, at the end of the movie, Leia wasn't as well-done, and I don't know why. Perhaps because of the "lighting"- that scene was much brighter, hence the mind is less willing to write off certain inconsistencies, perhaps. But I think that scene might have made Lucasfilm reluctant to try it again, and that's too bad.
     
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    @HAL'sgal I was thinking the same thing about a CGI Leia. As much as love R1, the CGI Leia is rather "jarring".....
     
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    They should have casted Kate Mulgrew to play Leia.
     
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    They should have recast her and use DeepFake. Just look at all the DeepFake videos on YouTube. This technique is really advanced.

    IMO Carrie Fisher would have definitely supported a recast.
     
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    I don't know much about it, but I, too, figured a lot of progress had been in CGI made since R1. I think they gave up too easily.
    Recasting might even have been acceptable, of that I'm less sure.
    What I do know, is that I'd like to have seen justice done to Leia's story, and it wasn't. I would have gone with either route if it meant there could be a better conclusion for her.

    Of all the OT characters, she seemed to be the one who held on, instead of letting the situation with Kylo ruin her life as it apparently did Han and Luke. Hers was the chance for a more positive and constructive ending.
     
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