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The Utter Ridiculousness of Darth Vader building C-3PO

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by The One Armed Wampa, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. The One Armed Wampa

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    So I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed as to how utterly nuts it is to believe that Anakin Skywalker Built C-3PO. But I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say it anyway. Now let's think about the factors of such an occurance:

    Anakin Skywalker at the time of nearly getting Threepio's functional base frame operational was nine years old and had the force on his side. Now considering how Anakin Skywalker was a Slave at Watto's junk shop one can assume that was where he got the parts to build Threepio. Except, Anakin is a SLAVE, Watto doesn't have to give the boy anything more then food, water, and shelter to survive so he can continue to work. That means Anakin had to be STEALING the parts from Wattos shop over the course of time. So not only did Anakin just so happen to steal or scavenge junk parts enough to make a fully functional protocol droid, he had to also PROGRAM junk droid Threepio. Because Anakin stated he was building him to help his mother. That is not base rutimentary programming of just making sure his legs move, or his head can turn. That is making a complex artificial intelligence with JUNK PARTS on a DESERT PLANET as a SLAVE BOY of NINE YEARS. Couple it with the fact that he didn't just build Threepio over night. He didn't just steal or scavenge the parts in a single day. This was a project he started years ago. Which means he probably started collecting the parts and copying the protocol droid design by age FIVE.

    Knowing all this we can proclaim that Anakin is either a GENIUS that puts every other character's mental faculties to shame, or the force has been guiding him to build Threepio the entire time. Which leads me to ask what is more likely.

    Anakin Skywalker is a literal Genius capable of building, constructing, and programming a fully functional protocol droid out of stolen or scavenged parts he happened to come across on Tatooine as a child. Or that the force has been guiding boy Anakin throughout his life and influenced him into constructing C-3PO.

    Now disclaimer, I have no qualms against Anakin being portrayed as an intelligent character. But it's crazy to think the boy is able to construct a fully functional droid as a slave with absolutely no form of education at all. Which means I'm suppose to believe the nine year old is naturally gifted with intelligence of advanced mechanical constructs, or the force really wanted C-3PO to exist.

    I'll hear out anyone's thoughts or explaination on the matter. This is a discussion after all.
     
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    And those aren't the only problems!
    For starters, why a protocol droid? How will something programmed for etiquette and protocol that help out Shmi? Hell, 3PO kinda points out the silliness of it back in A New Hope!:
    Owen: "I have no need for a protocol droid."
    C-3PO: "Of course you haven't, sir. Not in an environment such as this."

    Second, there is no purpose for this in the narrative. There really isn't. 3PO does nothing in the whole prequel trilogy besides existing to be in the original trilogy and to provide the worst, overly long, unneeded comic relief subplot in the entire saga:
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    I hate this more than Jar Jar Binks. Yeah, I kriffing went there. It also has the added part of not making a lick of sense in-universe and breaks continuity (3PO's head didn't seem to work separated from his torso in Empire).
    In the OT, he did more for the narrative. He first helped us ease into this strange new universe as well as help us understand R2. He even saved the day a few times (especially in getting the Ewoks to become allies with our heroes, who otherwise would have been Ewok chow). Yeah, he didn't do much in The Force Awakens, but in this case, we know that he would logically be present and having a cameo makes sense going in chronological order. He was where he needed to be in that film.
    All his presence did was pad out the time, make the galaxy feel really small, and open up plot holes. The biggest one was technically solved: why didn't 3PO blab about events in the prequels? Unlike Obi-Wan, Yoda, and R2 (all of whom could be trusted to keep quiet), 3PO would have spoiled the twist in Empire before Luke even was told the lie! So to fix it, memory wipe! if a character's presence requires their memory to be erased, they might not need to be there*.
    I've said it before, but 3PO should have just had a cameo at the end of Revenge of the Sith onboard Bail's ship, showing R2 and 3PO meeting for the first time. Boom, fan service moment done without padding out other parts of the trilogy.


    *Time travel stories, excluded.
     
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    I think mainly it was just to fit 3PO in, giving him an origin and connection to the Skywalker family. How ironic this droid was created by Anakin as kid and still ends up in his son's possession and ultimately serving his daughter. Same with Artoo, he was his mother's droid but ends up with her son. Must be the will of the force, :p.

    As far as Anakin building him, I think it could be simpler than that. He was good with electronics. It could be more that he just found the various parts and was adept in putting it together. He may not have necessarily needed to know how to write the programming from the base up. He just need to write softeware, core, cpu, etc to upload and tweak. It's a good chance he had to swipe some parts from Wato. But for whatever reason, Wato may have let have some obsolete parts from here and there. He would have found them elsewhere. I mean, he did build his own podracer too. Either he was quite the lil' thief or he was good at acquiring parts from many places.

    I think this would have worked just as well too. :)
     
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    this seems far too nitpicky to me.. people are just pulling the prequels apart for no reason. they literally did that to connect c-3PO to the prequel films.. people love the character.. they make money on the character... hence why they tied him into the story. no reasons more. this is far too overanalyzed.
     
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    But programming software for a droid is still not exactly something easy for a child to just naturally comprehend. Especially with the lack of education. The only explaination would be the force guiding him in all his endeavors. But even that just sounds like a cheap excuse.

    Yes, this was how they tied C-3PO to the prequels. But wouldn't it have made more sense for him to be introduced elsewhere in the story? Like perhaps the personal protocol droid to Bail Organa, or another senator on Coruscant? That way we can see C-3PO in his full shiny golden glory from the beginning of the Prequels- you know, for proper fanservice- and we're not just looking at just his insides the entire time on Tatooine.

    Is this is a nitpick, yes. But they could have introduced C-3PO almost anywhere else, and it would have made more sense then what we got. The connection to the Skywalker's wasn't entirely necessary or integral to the storyline, and probably would have been better off not being a contrived and rather awkward coincidence.
     
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    Yeah, it was probably George's way of having them both involved, as he kind of wanted in his mind that they were observing the whole saga and it was kind of recorded through them. I agree though the fact that little Ani putting him together was a bit much. My head canon enjoys adding bits like the "daughter protection from amorous smugglers" chip, and the "fall apart when necessary" feature.
     
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    The creation of C3PO doesn't have to be as challenging is you're thinking.

    The fact that Threepio is a protocol droid on Tatooine means he's worthless. Even Threepio himself knows -

    Owen: "I have no need for a protocol droid."
    C-3PO: "Of course you haven't, sir. Not in an environment such as this."

    See why Watto can't sell protocol droid parts? It's not hard to imagine Watto ordering Anakin to throw out the unsalable junk every couple months, and Anakin took home the parts he needed to build Threepio.

    If Chewie could put Threepio back together on Cloud City, then it's no stretch to imagine Anakin putting him together in the first place. After all, fixing things was Anakin's job in Watto's shop. We don't know if Threepio's mind was wiped before he ended up as spare parts in Watto's shop or if Anakin wiped it, but it seems Threepio was "new" to his memories when we first meet him. Yet that doesn't mean Anakin programmed him from the ground up. He may have just reformatted the hard drive and installed the only OS he had - etiquette and protocol. Think about it - Threepio is fluent in over six million forms of communication. Does that mean Anakin is also fluent in six million languages, or did he just insert a translator chip into Threepio's wiring? My nine year old son can download and install apps, and he sure as hell ain't the Chosen One.

    We don't know if Anakin stole the parts for Threepio or not. Watto may have given them to Anakin, thinking "If my slave boy can build a functioning droid out of worthless scrap parts then he's worth more than the average slave boy, and I can sell him for a big profit." Even if Anakin failed, Watto would have known it would be good practice for him.

    Finally, it makes Luke (luke)and Threepio (c-3po)brothers. I like that.
     
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    I have to quote old Ben by saying it all depends on a certain point of view. When I look at Anakin building C3PO, I don't see the little boy building him from nothing and putting together every single little screw but in the way one one could put together a car that was bought from a junk yard. Sometimes you can find a car there that has no transmission and may be lacking a few minor parts but the rest is there. The person building it does not need to know how to build an engine from scrap or he doesn't have to know exactly where each little cable goes as the car already has all of this and just needs the transmission and the few missing parts and that's how I see Anakin building C3PO.

    In the Star Wars Tales story Thank the Maker, it is shown that Anakin and Kitster find not only 3POs head but a whole structural framework that gives credit to my car from the junk yard theory.
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    Here you can see that 3PO was not in fact started from nothing but all Anakin had to do was get a replacement arm and put together the rest with the Force as his guide. Here we see that Anakin didn't spent all his time building the droid screw by screw cable by cable but that he indeed needed time to learn how to put together a droid that was indeed almost complete. This makes Anakin building 3PO and the time he spent on him be more realistic as all the basic programing was already inside the droid just like when you find a computer in the trash. Sometimes all you need is a mouse and a screen to get the whole thing working and nothing more.
     
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    Why is it such a problem that Anakin had created Threepio? It's such a tiny matter. It sounds as if Lucas was showing his sense of humor by allowing Threepio to be created by a Tattooine slave boy, and that Artoo originally belonged to a young queen from Naboo.

    That's all. I don't see the need for a major complaint about the situation. You want to complain about something? How about . . . why did Anakin hang around Mustafar after killing the Separatist leaders?
     
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    It's not that Anakin Skywalker is a genius or anything...Threepio is built from ranom blueprints and he knows how to build things by working in Watto's junk shop and being FS only helps more
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    Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean it was necessary or well done. And irony is not coincidence. Irony is like a fire truck being on fire.
    I am happy that you agree with the ROTS cameo idea, though.
    This isn't being nitpicky. This is pointing out of of the many failings of the prequels. And again, just because that was the intent doesn't mean we needed it or that it was done well.
    Chewie's about 200 years old and is a mechanic. And he still put 3PO's head on backwards.
    Anakin's 9.
    Yes, it is a stretch.
    Again, even if the fact that a small child made it is perfectly fine, Anakin building 3PO isn't on a storytelling level. It's a coincidence that just doesn't work.
     
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    it is being extremely nitpicky.. 99.9% of people who watch the films probably weren't offended to level at which you were during C-3PO's reveal in that film.. in fact, i watched phantom menace with some friends the other day who had never seen it before (they've seen 4,5,6) and they were overjoyed when C-3PO was revealed. i honestly don't think it's a big deal and i don't understand what you're accomplishing by attempting to show the "many failings of the prequels"- just move on
     
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    You say it isn't being nitpicky and quickly point out the failings of the prequels but if this were the case than what can we say about Rey? Does her exaggerated character serve to prove one of the many failings about TFA? She was a less believable character than Anakin ever was. Rey was perfect in every single thing she did. She was a perfect fighter, scavenger and mechanic. She was such an awesome pilot and knew so much that she could even show Han Solo a thing or two about his very own ship. She mastered the Force on the fly and she did in a short while and without a master what it took Luke three movies to achieve even after he was trained by two of the best Jedi Masters ever.
     
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    these OT purists have made it their life goal to rip apart EVERY aspect of the prequels, while completely disregarding the blatant mistakes and failures of both the original trilogy and the sequel trilogy- it's honestly quite sad.
     
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    Yes my friend you are correct. These die hard prequel haters just WANT everyone to see things their way even if their vision is flawed. Truly sad indeed.
     
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    Let me just go out on a limb here and state something

    I don't hate the prequels

    Honestly I don't. If I can be completely honest, I don't understand why they get so much ire. Yeah, they don't live up to OT in terms of storytelling, character development, or being able to grip my attention like EST can. But the actual hate, the wishing they were never made? Wishing they were never made? I don't get it. I don't get where the venom is coming from.

    A Star Wars movie has never made me feel unhappy. I have never walked away from a Star Wars movie wishing I've never saw it. The Prequels may have its faults, but the OT wasn't perfect either. The OT has its faults as well. It's just unfortunate that the prequel's faults are more overt the more you think about them. But even the prequels have things in them people can enjoy. As much hate as TPM gets, everyone loves Darth Maul. With as much hate as AOTC gets, without it we wouldn't have gotten the Clone Wars animated series (which admittingly started off slow and took a few seasons to get interesting). With as much hate as ROTS gets, it still had it's great moments: The March on the Jedi Temple, Order 66, Duel on Mustafar, the score from John Williams alone is awesome.

    Please understand that this thread topic doesn't come from contempt, but with love. My analysis comes from the passion and emotional connection I have to the films. Because I want to like Prequels like I did the OT. But as with what I do to the OT, I must do with the Prequels. I tear it apart, I find what I think was stupid, or could have done better, or what didn't work. Because then I can appreciate what the movie did RIGHT even more. I can justify the amount of love I have for these films, I can see the bumps and just laugh with the movie at that point. Is it weird, probably.

    Star Wars has, and most likely forever will be my favorite movie saga, and yes that includes the prequels. Because a "bad" Star Wars movie still beats the hell out of a lot of the other crap I've watched.
     
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    All of what you point out will indeed be a problem if Rey really is just a scavenger with nothing more to her. The mind trick especially struck me as odd. I however, believe that there will probably be much more revealed about her background in time, I think prior repressed memories and training will be involved. I could be wrong of course, but for the sake of good storytelling, let's hope that I'm not ;).

    I've honestly never even given that a second thought. Maybe he was awaiting further orders from Palpatine, or feeling that a lava planet is the perfect place to bask in his newfound Sith evilness ;). The real world answer is of course "because that's where the script needed him to be".

    As for the Anakin building C-3PO thing, it's never really bothered me much. Is it silly(and ultimately unnecessary) fan service? Sure. Does it affect the movies in any major way? No. I think the biggest issue I have with it is that it points towards a troubling trend that we would see with Lucas and fan service as the films went on. I'm referring to things like Boba Fett's inclusion in AotC and Chewbacca being buddies with Yoda in RotS.

    There is no way that George would have included Boba Fett in the PT if he hadn't been such a popular character with the fans. All George managed to do was strip him of all the cool mysteriosness that was a big part of his appeal. Yep, who doesn't want to see their favorite mysterious badass as a bratty snot nosed kid...

    As for Chewbacca being pals with Yoda, why didn't he speak up in ANH when Han was talking crap about the force? Based on RotS, we now know that Chewie has actually seen both Jedi and the Force in action. It seems like Chewie would probably have something to say at that point.

    In comparison to stuff like that, I can deal with the C-3PO fan service just fine.
     
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    You know, the Chewie and Yoda being pals thing bothered me as well for the same reason. Han's views of things regarding the Force would have been much different had Chewie told him everything he knew. Not only that but from the very moment that Ben Kenobi pulled out his lightsaber in the cantina, Chewies reaction would have been very different and he wouldn't have acted like meh it's just an old geezer with a laser sword.
     
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    Are their flaws in the OT and TFA? Yes, all films do. But they pale in comparison to the PT. They truly do. Also, here's the thing, the good of the OT and TFA really did patch over the mistakes and flaws. They are well made over all, so the flaws don't hurt. The PT simply isn't. The basic things of character and plot are fumbled to such an absurd degree that they are messes.
    And here's another thing, I've been noticing the mistakes and failings in PT (more and more over the years) since they came out. I was six, nine, and twelve respectively when the PT came out. At you know what I remember from those viewings when the films each were new? I rolled my eyes at Anakin's virgin birth. I remember scratching my head at the strange voice Queen Amidala used. I remember making fun of Hayden Christensen's performance. I remember laughing at both, "You're breaking my heart," and, "NOOOOOO!" I remember making fun of the first sentence in the opening crawl for Revenge of the Sith ("War!"). Honestly, the only parts I remember enjoying from back in the day was the space battle at the end of The Phantom Menace and the Yoda battle in Attack of the Clones, neither of which have stood up. You know what has stood the test of time? The Battle of Yavin. Luke and Vader's duel on the Second Death Star. I was unaffected when Qui-Gon was killed. When Finn got slashed in the back, I was genuinely scared that he was going to die.
    Also, I don't jump on bandwagons. Hell, I defend films that most people toss to the side. I'll defend the 1998 Godzilla. I'll defend Jason X. I'll defend Alien vs. Predator. But I don't defend the prequels. That should say something.
    The real sad thing is that in order to defend the PT, some people have to try to tear down the OT. If your first defense is deflect, to say the OT has flaws, you aren't convincing anyone. You aren't showing how the flaws in the PT aren't that bad.
    Because she totally intended to let the Rathars loose. 100% perfect. Yeah.
     
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    My good friend, it all depends on your point of view. If you dislike the PT and think the mistakes of both the OT and TFA pale in comparison then that's fine by me but you have to understand that that is simply your opinion and it is not felt by every single SW fan there is.

    Rey made a mistake with the Rathars? Does that even matter compared to all the ridiculously impossible things she did? And be mindful that when I'm bothered about Rey, I'm not talking as a PT lover but as an OT one. Many fans can't understand the difference of this and quickly shield the flaws of TFA by bashing the PT but let's toss the PT aside and let's both talk as hardcore OT fans. Rey tosses to the garbage everything that our lovable OT led us to think and there is nothing about this that bashing the PT will justify. The disrespectful use of the Force in this movie is an insult at everything we learned in the OT and JJ did a really good job of destroying the wonderful things that our heroes accomplished in ROTJ and that's insulting.

    When I discus these things with some people, all they have to go on is the repetitive saying that ''at least it's better than the PT'' but is that enough to justify the mess that TFA did? People sometimes forget that just because we like the PT we aren't hardcore fans of the OT and it is here that I have my beef. Do you think that TFA ruined anything about the PT? Heck no! It's how it ruins the OT that has me mad!

    ROTJ was the awesome culmination of our beloved saga and everything our loved heroes fought for in Jedi was treated like garbage in TFA. Luke failed as both a teacher and as an uncle, Han and Leia failed as parents and as a couple, Luke's victory over Sheev and his redemption of his father was worth nothing as a new bad guy just popped out of nowhere and ruined Luke's life in a way that Sheev, Vader and the whole Empire never could, the Rebelion was worth squat as they built a New Republic just so that the First Order would make then have to be in the very same position that they were as Rebels and all their efforts were for nothing as the Republic they fought so hard to restore was treated as such a garbage that they blew it up of screen! How do you justify that? Who cares if TFA is considered better or not than the PT when this darn movie is an insult to the OT! These are my childhood heroes we are talking about for crying out loud! Look at the stupid way we lost Han! Does simply saying ''well at least his death was better than Jango Fett's'' eliminate the atrocities that this movie did?

    Everything diehard OT purists have to say is that TFA was better than the PT but in this particular situation, I could care less. I didn't grow up with Plo Koon, General Grievous, Shaak Ti, Mace Windu or Darth Maul, I grew up with Luke, Leia, Han, Lando, Chewie and Yoda! Why would I even care if Midichlorians suck when Rey ruins everything that Luke had to suffer so much to accomplish? What do I care if Dooku sucked when I have a stupid crybaby Vader wannabe come out of nowhere and kill Han? Who cares if Amidala cried to Anakin that he's breaking my heart when Chewie walked by Leia as if she wasn't there right after comming back from loosing Han?

    That's what I'm talking about and that's what many PT haters fail to see. If these people would get their heads straight for a few seconds and forget all the PT hating and stuff, they might open their eyes and see how bad TFA messed up the OT! That's my beef with this movie! It's not the whole PT vs OT thing again but it's TFA vs OT that has me mad. Many people try to grab on to TFA just because they were angry at the PT but had the PT not existed, do you know how many people would have hated this movie?

    That is how I see things my friend. Just because I love the PT as much as I love the OT doesn't diminish the fact that I still love the OT with all my heart and I blame JJ for ruining the great sacrifices of my OT heroes and for messing up the Force in a way that Midichlorians never could and no matter how much PT bashers can claim that TFA was better than the PT or whatnot, that doesn't justify that JJ ruined most of what the OT stood for.
     
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