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Theory - Jedi Academy Massacre & Kylo Ren

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Hélios.28, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. Hélios.28

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    So, I was reading here and there at the site, somewhere said that Pablo Hidalgo confirmed that the attack to the jedi massacre ocurred 20 years before TFA and another post confirmed that kylo is 29/30 years old, based on this Kylo would have been like, 10 years at the massacre

    Then I was thinking, what if the Kylo Ren from the massacre is another person ? First thing comes in my mind is Benicio Del Toro who was confirmed as the villain for VIII, that would be a nice plot twist, Del Toro's Kylo might have kidnapped Ben or something like that, and would open space for more possibilites with this new character, what you think ?
     
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    I mean, script/story details change all the time, sometimes even during shooting. That's why everything is up in the air until it's a wrap.
     
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    yeah, forgot to say, these sayings by Pablo are recent, and out of curiosity, what he says is somewhat canon, right ?
     
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    I've also wondered if the person we see in Rey's flashback that looks like Kylo is in fact someone else. Kylo's mask seems used to the point that maybe it's quite old. All speculation, of course, and impossible to tell, but Kylo assisting this person and then assuming his identity wouldn't be completely unreasonable for the character.
     
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    Pablo Hidalgo also confirmed that the guy we see killed during the scene was referred to as "clan leader" during production...
    Now he's also saying not to call it "Jedi Academy."

    Everyone has assumed the scene is from when he betrayed Luke... but I still believe the scene in the rain is more closely connected to Kylo's search for Luke.
    The "clan leader" may have then lead Kylo to Tekka, which explains why the First Order went to Jakku at the start of the movie.

    It makes a lot more sense to me anyway.


    Pablo is one of the Lucasfilm Story group people... he may not be the "Keeper of the Holocron" (Leland Chee holds that title), but he's a lot more interactive with the fans than other story group members.
     
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    Exactly.
    "some other group" = not one of Luke's students.
    So unless there was some other group present at the Jedi "massacre," I think it's safe to say that the rain scene is depicting something else entirely.
     
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    The force vision goes like this in the movie:

    1) Cloud City hallway.
    2) Luke's robot hand touches R2-D2.
    3) Kylo Ren stabs a guy through chest with his ignited Lightsaber in the rain. Bodies lay on the ground. Kylo Ren stands around with his associates.
    4) Young Rey is left on Jakku and dragged away by someone's* hand. "NOOOO!" she screams. "COME BACK!" A voice says, "Quiet, girl." "NOOOO!" she yells again as a ship leaves to exit the planet's atmosphere.
    5) Kylo Ren with his ignited Lightsaber in the forest on Starkiller Base.

    * could be Unkar Plutt's.
     
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    That scene in the rain could very well be from the Island where Luke and Rey left us
     
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    It is most likely Unkar Plutt.
    Just looking at it, the arm is pretty thick. He even has the same style/cut/colour shirt the Unkar has in the rest of the movie (a bit of an oversight on JJ's part).



    That's an interesting idea... but I don't really think that's the case.
     
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    Was it not said in a leak that Rey's parents were part of the clan? Or involved in that battle in some way?

    I honestly don't think Rey is Luke's daughter.
     
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    If this attack on "the clan" happened much closer than 15 years before the movie, it cannot involve Rey being there because Rey would've already been on Jakku before that attack. Rey has been said by Ridley to be about 5 when she was left. Her adult character in TFA is 19.

    So we aren't any wiser as to when the attack by Ben Solo happened against Luke's Jedi apprentices. It says that he was responsible in the TFA Visual Dictionary.

     
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    Ok so since we know that Rey was left on Jakku 14 years prior to the force awakens and since Pablo Hidalgo said the attack on the academy followed by Lukes disappearance was more recent than that, does it follow that Rey was never a part of Lukes academy? Everybody is assuming she was and i thought so too but these two facts dont add up. But they also made it pretty clear, in my opinion that Rey is Lukes daughter. So here is my theory. Luke never knew he had a daughter, he got laid with some girl but it was a one time deal sorta thing so she left without telling him she was pregnant. She drops Rey off on Jakku and may or may not have intentions of coming back to get her. Rey sees the attack on the academy in her vision because of her connection with Luke, not because of her being there personally, we know she saw alot of stuff in this vision that she had nothing to do with. what do u guys think?
     
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    It's hard to figure out.

    Return of the Jedi

    29 years before TFA - Ben is born
    19 years before TFA - Rey is born
    __ years before TFA - Ben betrays and destroys Luke's new Jedi Order / Luke places his robot hand on R2-D2 (vision scene)
    14 years before TFA - Young Rey is left on Jakku (vision scene)
    __ years before TFA - The Knights of Ren with Kylo Ren (formerly Ben) attack / rain (vision scene)
    The Force Awakens
     
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    I think they were searching for the lightsaber in that scene, part of the whole Knights of Ren theory I've developed over time. That clan had somehow got a hold of the lightsaber after I believe the Knights of Ren lost it in a struggle between Ben and the previous master of the Knights of Ren (who I think is Benicio Del Toro). During that whole massacre Maz somehow made off the saber
     
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    I found that there was an actor originally listed as portraying "clan leader" is now listed on IMDb as playing "knight of ren." Was Kylo killing a member of the knights of ren for some reason?
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 23, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 23, 2015 ---
    Could the crossguard lightsaber be passed down between members of the group? If not the lightsaber, perhaps the cracked kyber crystal within?
     
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