Theory Thread

- Luke Skywalker has been captured by the KOR and his Force energy is being drained by Snoke in order for the leader of the FO to survive.
- The lightsaber has been embedded with information regarding the FO/Star Killer and Kylo Ren is tracking it down to stop the Resistance from repeating the heroics of the Battle of Yavin.
- Lord Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
- Han Solo is killed by Kylo Ren.

 

- KOR on Endor,
- Rey, Finn, and BB-8 run into the falcon, literally-speaking.
- A Cantina scene, possibly with Han Solo being there as well.

- "Mah Baby Guuuuurrrlll "

 

Rey abandoned for being the daughter of Leia and thus the next of kin to the late Darth Vader.
its too convenient for the FO to appear on Jakku to seek the saber/info and to luckily happen upon the grandaughter of Vader in the process, so my guess is the 2 are closely entwined in some fashion. maybe so far as to say that the FO learns of Rey hiding out on Jakku before they raid the village. especially if Leia and the Resistence know of her location. safe bet they do.
the FO, Snoke, Kylo are hunting the Skywalkers and this becomes the primary motivation for our antagonists early in the film.
Luke isnt losing power, isnt in seclusion for any reason but to bide his time, as he has a plan to help his friends and this seclusion is very much a part of it. he isnt sitting around but is patiently working towards a hopeful outcome. Now that we've confirmed its present day Luke placing his hand on R2, ill venture so far as to say we see Luke within the 1st act of the film. why hes on Jakku im not sure but id assume its related to Rey and/or the info Max Von Sydow has in his possession. if hes present in mournful thought post-village massacre, we can deduce he knows of the power the enemy holds, and to risk revealing himself would be to risk the lives of his friends and potentially the galaxy as a whole.

 

The junk ship in space is a penal colony Han is on it and has been for years.

I am still trying to figure how 3 factions work into this. People at Celebration reported Resistance and First Order. Its looking more likely that is not the case.

 

Rey is Luke's daughter.

Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son.

Snoke is Plagueis.

Snoke kills Hux and thrashes Kylo Ren for failing him.

 

Yeah...so there IS, and I believe that it's been official for a bit now, that we have:

The New Republic - set up at some point between ROTJ & TFA (Presumably Mon Mothma would logically be the new head.

The Resistance - They are sort-of like Guerilla Fighters, dealing with the bigger problems in The Galaxy that The New Republic fails to accept in order to keep their position of power throughout The Galaxy since they are so new, and The New Republic doesn't even acknowledge its presence presumably due to the potential backlash except for a select few who fought with Leia Organa during The final days of The Empire.

The First Order - This...well we have little-to-no information on its dealings, but it's led by Snoke with Kylo Ren, Hux, and Phasms are his lapdogs that do his every bidding, killing people included.

 

From most confident to least confident:

Luke shows up in the "crying Rey" scene

Rey and Finn are no one's (actual children (no one that we know by name, Han, Luke, etc.). The last names weren't left off to avoid spoilers, their last names were not given because they literally have no last names, being abandoned in some way by their actual parents. They will both inherit the name Skywalker and become Jedi through Luke their 'Force Father', as it were.

Chewie dies
Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son
Snoke is Plagueis
Luke is luminous in some way when he appears
Luke has attained such a knowledge of the Force that he is able to "keep those he loves from dying"
Luke uses the Force to save Chewie from dying
Kylo Ren also inherits the name of Skywalker at the end of the trilogy

Also I mentioned earlier in a thread about the reuse of the song Padme's Ruminations during a pivotal Rey scene in a later episode. I like this idea myself so much that I'm going to go ahead and theorize it out of thin air. Something mirroring that city scene in ROTS. Padme the royalty juxtaposed with Rey the nobody. Different but the same. They even look somewhat alike. I think somewhere we'll see this scene, maybe when Rey is being tempted by the dark side to do something ethically questionable with the fate of everything riding on her choice; like Anakin.

 

Luke saving Chewi but not Han........I hope this is not true. It would be disgusting

 

You must be confusing the characters, Luke is the Force-weilding Jedi Master with the potential to save people from dying. Han is the scoundrel smuggler who shot first. I'm not theorizing Luke pulls Chewie out of a bar fight because Han's not around to have Chewie's six; I'm saying there's nothing Han could possibly do, and Luke saves Chewie with the Force.

What do you got against Luke anyway? Luke can't help Chewie or something?

 

About Rey and Finn being randos, JJ Abrams has already stated that their FULL NAMES are being withheld for extremely specific reasons .

 

Here are a few of my thoughts:

Supreme Leader Snoke is not Darth Plagueis but a new evil entity.

Rey is a Skywalker.

Many fans will hate Maz Kanata.

Sarco Plank will just be a background character.

The Force Awakens will be a very good movie but fans will notice that JJ made it to similar to the OT and didn't give us many new things as his fear of what many say about the prequels made him try to play it safe yet many fans will feel he played it a little too safe for their liking.

TFA may have a few cool new aliens but they will be lame compared to those seen in both the OT and the PT.

It will make no logic whatsoever to have made BB8 a female droid.

 

I remember reading that, right. I read you, but except for the last "out of thin air", I'm theorizing these things just based on what the facts suggest to me. Like, Chewie dies is based on the fact of that shot in the trailer which, to me, I see what appears to be Chewie: so I theorize Chewie dies. Some people suggest Finn, but the fact is we are seeing Rey crying over someone, and so based on it: theorize. But it's all coming from a suggestive fact of some kind.

But to me, JJ is a source of questionable "fact". Yes, JJ Abrams said that but I ban JJ statements from my realm of "fact" since he and his co-conspirating cast (Simon Pegg "The villain is NOT Khan") have fooled me once. And you know what they say?

Likewise I don't trust Pegg saying "That's really Luke" as a confirmation of anything (though I do theorize that is Luke with R2 for reasons, but none of them being "Because Simon 'Shifty' Pegg confirmed it"). Could also be that JJ says "Well the very specific reason is because they had no last names".

Again don't take my theorizing as me saying "Yes, this is to be completely expected" but "based on the info I come to these theories and their various diminishing likelihoods"; it may be all completely wrong of course, and I wouldn't care because it's just theory.

 

That was my understanding awhile back but since toys and stories have come out I have not heard tell of a new Republic.

 

I'm as sure about the following two things as anything:

• Snoke's background will not be revealed in TFA. (I hope Rian Johnson makes him Plagueis, but I doubt it will happen)
  
• Rey's parentage will not be revealed in TFA.

Fairly sure about these, but admittedly could be wrong.

• Rey is Vader's granddaughter, likely via Leia+Han.
• Finn's origins (i.e. his parentage, etc) will not be revealed in TFA.
• Kylo Ren is Han & Leia's son: this may not be explicitly revealed in TFA but strongly implied.
• Kylo Ren was trained by Luke Skywalker.
• Hux and Han Solo are the only members of the main cast of characters that die in TFA.
• Finn loses an arm to Kylo Ren.
• Luke Skywalker only shows up at the very end after Rey walks up the "Jedi steps."
• Luke Skywalker's only dialogue in the entire film may be in the form of a recording (e.g. hologram). (I'm fairly sure this was depicted in the leaked image)

 

"No, there is another ...." I'm gambling that there are other Skywalkers we are unaware of; considering Luke and Leia were separated. Twins tend to be genetic, Rey has another sister? I think so. 2 girls and Kylo is Leia's son, we'll meet 2nd Skywalker in VIII

 

Billie Lourde plays the daughter of Leia and Han
Leia and Han did indeed lose one child, but that doesn't have to be Rey

Finn is the Grandson of Mace Windu

Poe is not after the lightsaber, but after Rey when he lands on Jakku

Poe saves Finn's live in the battle at Maz castle.

Finn loses a hand against Kylo

Kylo will turn his back on the dark side in the course of the three movies. (or he'll die in the first. whcih would suck big time)

 

-Kylo Ren is the son of Han and Leia former padawan of Luke kidnapped during Jedi Temple attack by KOR

-Snoke is NOT Plagueis but a new/ old darkside figure New to us but been around for a long time.

-Rey is Luke's daughter with either a female Dark Jedi or Captain Phasma either way it won't be explored until the next film, but her darkside affiliation is why Rey is hidden on Jakku.

-Finn is force sensitive and is a relative of a well known character outside of the big 3 perhaps not a son but a nephew or grandson. My guesses are Kenobi or Windu but Calrissian is possible.

-unfortunately I think Han dies at Kylo's hands.....

-Chewie lives

-Maz will be a new kind of Force sensitive introduced and will be very important to the trilogy

-Luke will be in the background of this movie but his few minutes will be extremely meaningful.

-Yoda will make an appearance

-Eyes and kyber crystals will gain a new importance by the end of this movie.

 

Luke is a force ghost—this is the reason we never see him in any of the trailers, except for a flash back. See the 'Rey theory' below.

Kylo Ren is telepathic—a gift of the force

Poe is a force user—he's able to resist Kylo Ren's telepathic gift

Rey has the force gift of psychometry or postcognition—the ability to see events of the past through an object, such as a lightsaber—Luke's light saber.

I'm not really keen on the idea of Luke as a force ghost in the movie, but that is the only explanation that seems to fit. JJ stated that seeing Luke in the trailer would give too much away. A shimmering image of Luke as a force ghost in a trailer would definitely give away a lot.

 

Unless he is in captivity and in bad shape...