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"These are your first steps..."

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Darth Chewie, Apr 6, 2019.

  1. Darth Chewie

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    I loved The Last Jedi and the direction Rian took it. Rey's parentage reveal was great, and almost unexpected. But my only regret was not seeing a further play out from Rey's 'force back' from TFA. The fact that Obi Wan talks directly to Rey in her force back and was not built upon in TLJ was disappointing. I am not suggesting Rey needs to be a Kenobi, but it was strongly suggested there may be a connection of some sort. Why would he reach out to her, and say something as profound as "these are you first steps", only to have it become nothing more than a whisper in the wind with no follow up?

    Thoughts?

    ******Edit... and yes I am aware the thread title should say 'your'. Was in a hurry! :)

     
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    There you go I fixed the title for you.

    As for the dialogue I always took it that it was the force in general reaching out to Rey & it was her first introduction to the force & they went with Obi Wan ( Which was recorded very late in production I think) as a familiar voice although I would agree That maybe using Yoda in that situation would also have worked really well.
     
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    I'm still hoping for her to turn out to be a Kenobi. According to George Lucas SW was meant to be a Soap Opera set in Space, so everyone has to be related to everyone else by marriage or something, that's the deal : P
     
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    I would love Rey to be a Kenobi - just like we’ve had Skywalkers in Star Wars from the beginning as the chosen ones , we’ve also had Obi Wan /Ben Kenobi guiding them like a John the Baptist figure . To me it would make sense . Little hints at this apart from Rey and Kylo’s fight in starkiller base which mirrors Obi Wan and Anakin’s down to even some of the choreography( on Mustafar ) is that in the prequels Obi Wan too states he’s no one at one point just like we hear Rey referred to as no one throughout the sequel trilogy ( John the Baptist too states he’s no one too incidentally enough in the New Testament so I think it’s no coincidence they’ve borrowed this as Star Wars borrows from religion and myth ). Moreover Rey seems to be adept at the Jedi mind trick like Obi Wan was and the way she creeps around starkiller base in TFA is paralleling Obi wan doing the same in A New Hope . The skywalker saber calls to Rey which if she isn’t a skywalker makes sense as Obi wan was guardian of Anakin’s saber for a long time . We are meant to think of Kenobi in this sequel trilogy not just from the vision sequence but also the fact kylo is named after Ben Kenobi , the “last and only hope” and Rey referring to Ben as the only hope in TLJ keeps Obi Wan fresh in our minds . Every step of the way we are reminded of Obi Wan . To me it would make perfect sense if Rey was a Kenobi .Then again it’s possible Rey really could really be a nobody like Obi Wan said he was (but we all know he wasn’t really)and is there as an Obi Wan type wizard figure to guide the Skywalkers and the galaxy in the same way Obi Wan was it’s guiding light and hope . ;):)
     
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    These are your first steps.....
    Random unconnected person who doesn't fit in the whole saga.
     
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    I didn’t take it as having any more meaning than when he told Luke “You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.” Obi-Wan is one of the few beings we know of that’s become a part of the Force and retained his identity. Makes as much sense for him to speak to her as Yoda or Qui-Gon, but it would mean more to US for it to be him. Just my thoughts.
     
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    I just figured that since Rey is the Force’s counterbalance to Kylo Ren, sprits of past Jedi are reaching out to her. Yoda’s voice was in the vision too.
     
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    Hmm, ‘your first steps, these are’ . . . . nah, OB’s better :)
     
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    I expected Rey to be a Skywalker/Luke's daughter. When she wasn't, it didn't bother me. It's one of the complaints of TLJ that I didn't share. I thought the reveal of her parents being non force users was interesting.

    Since then, I'm kind of indifferent. If I have an issue with it, it's that where do they go from here? Sure, it was a twist, but it seems to end unspectacularly. Think a fireworks display that ends with a loud bang, but no light in the sky. It's a surprise, it's not nothing, but it's somewhat anti climactic.

    I didn't think SW fans needed to be reminded that the force wasn't hereditary. Since, maybe I was wrong lol, since a lot of people seem to think it was due to the Skywalkers. I just don't know where they go from here with Rey.

    She didn't end her apprenticeship to Luke on good terms. She rejects Kylo and his teachings. She herself is untrained, although that doesn't seem to have much of an effect on her so far. She has the Jedi books.

    I thought the voices in her vision confusing. I still don't get it. It seemed to me then and now that this was JJ keeping his options open in regards to Rey's lineage (or lack of). I don't particularly care either way, but please just choose one and move forward. They hinted that her parentage was important in trailers to TLJ, it was probably the top question going into TLJ. It seems to be answered conclusively, now E9 just has to show how that is important somehow to the story being told. Maybe the bloodline of a chosen one can only be countered by another line of chosen ones? I'm fishing here, I just don't get the point overall though.

    What benefit, beyond reminding fans that the force isn't hereditary, does her non parentage bring to the saga? I don't overly care either way, but I am a bit curious, but not in a "I have to know" kind of way. The reveal was anticlimactic imo, and I can't imagine the reasoning being that impressive either. Maybe E9 will prove me wrong, but for now, it's essentially an interesting part of TFA that has reached a dead end without a real payoff.
     
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    And this is one of the problems I have with TLJ, so much was just to undermine the options that JJ set up and just mess with people.
     
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    Right. Yoda and Obi-Wan are two Jedi who have discovered the secret Qui-Gon discovered--how to come back from the netherworld of the Force. From that perspective, it makes sense that Rey would hear from Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon or Anakin. If she only heard Obi-Wan, I would jump on the Rey Kenobi train. But I think it's really the Force calling out to her.
     
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    Very good question. Where does Rey go from here? I don’t know either. I feel her character arch pretty much ended in TLJ. She came to terms with her origin and found a place of belonging.
    I would like to see Kylo get more of the spotlight in Episode 9. After all, he is a Skywalker.
     
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    ...rather, I'd like to see this rectified. Rey is clearly our new hero....I'm hoping it doesn't end here for her. I feel like Kylo is largely irredeemable at this point. I mean, he can have a deathbed "come to Jesus" like grampy did, but he isn't coming out of this the hero.
     
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    Well this is a problem with the sequel trilogy. Rey is our main protagonist but many find her uninteresting. Too much of a Mary Sue, they say. I don’t think a new parentage reveal would make her any more interesting of a character. It would satisfy all the fans who insist on her having a special bloodline but it would feel to shoehorned in my opinion.

    I still feel a Ben Solo redemption could work if done right. He could end up as a main protagonist along side Rey. Then all the fans that hate Rey could latch on to him.
     
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    redemption and repentance doesn't make you a hero per se. It only makes you redeemed.
     
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