Thoughts and Opinions on TROS' Story

Yes, they could have taken another year but I don't think the 3 years intervals are synonym of good films. The prequels had 3 years between each others....

 

Here is something I thought about after my 3rd viewing.

When the resistance was gathered together and I think it was Poe who mentions"Palpatine or the Emporor was back." And people look at him like Who the F is that and where did he go?

I mean, seriously most everyone there is young. That part makes no sense.

Would have been better if Poe had said something like,"There is a new threat and he's a mean SOB."

 

Even though most people there were born after the Battle of Endor, they know the history of the Rebel Alliance and must know who Palpatine was. It would be like young people today not knowing for example who Hitler was or not knowing anything about World War II.

 

In a movie of secrets, codes and duality, D-O is an incredibly efficient and elegant cipher for so much. A friend and counterpart for BB-8, a directorial cameo for JJ - beautifully only in voice like the Jedi of the past later in the film - a droid who asserts their name, and who finds a family like Rey has...

But I find most powerfully, D-O is analogous to Kylo/Ben. Kyl-O if you will .

Consider the following:

- looks like he’s been treated badly
- treated badly by a Sith-following Jedi Hunter who killed Rey’s parents
- brought back to life by the sharing of power from BB-8
- has his squeaky wheel fixed by Rey ... hello?!
- later returns the favour by giving the Resistance data to assist the attack at Exegol.

“Never underestimate a droid” indeed

 

It's along the same lines of how people think they Jedi weren't real but they were literally EVERYWHERE just 20 years before ANH.

 

I was thinking of the hype and the build up to TROS and remembered that Kevin Smith said something about the final scene melting his mind or that it would melt his mind or something. Do we know what scene that is? I can't think of one that meets that description. If it's the very, very last scene in the movie, not particularly mind melting. The battle at the end? Ok but not mind melting.

 

This is a symptom of Terrio scripts.
Look at BvS. The more exciting movie happens off screen. Why is Batman so disillusioned? We get hints of it, but the more exciting movie (the fall of Batman to a violent vigilante) is offscreen and they never seemed interested in telling that over the spectacle of Batman hitting Superman with a sink.

 

BvS aside, I do think Terrio is a competent writer though. The lines he wrote for TROS are pretty strong and work well in my opinion with the acting and the visuals under JJ’s direction. In fact, I would go even further to say that TROS is the Star Wars movie I enjoyed watching the most since the OT, which is a bold statement given the backlash against it.

There is a caveat though. The movie works for me because I imagine it as a sequel to an alternate Episode 8 that RIan Johnson didn’t write or direct. In that sense, I agree with you. I just don’t care about the integrity of the real Episode 8.

 

Posting this here (and cross-posting it to the Daisy Ridley/Rey thread) because it just completely reshaped my thinking about the Sequel Trilogy as a whole and explains so very much:
https://clashingsabers.net/2019/12/26/darkness-rises-or-why-rey-had-to-be-a-palpatine/

 

Ignoring his other main entry into big blockbuster films? What about Justice League? He was a writer on that too.
See the theme?

 

Poe's parents directly fought the Emperor, so it makes sense that he'd know the history.

A lot of the other members of the Resistance likely don't have that first-hand knowledge or context.

You're overthinking this and seem to be trying to find a flaw where none actually exists.

 

Interestingly, in his Henry V like Battle cry speech before leaving for Exegol, I believe Poe says something like “what our mothers and fathers fought for, we won’t let die”. So it is implied many Resistance members may have parents or relatives who fought in the old war. After all, Yavin was only a little over 30 years ago and the old war still continued for up to 5 years after the Battle of Endor. So it is not a long time ago.

 

I know about Poe. I'm not stupid.

I'm not overthinking to find a flaw.

This thread is called"Thoughts and Opinions..."

My opinion in this opinion thread is no one knew WTF he was talking about.

 

^ I wasn't accusing you of anything; I was merely pointing out the impression that your post gave off.

No offense was intended by what I said.

 

Just throwing this in the mix, because I've seen the "they could've taken another year to make the film" argument.

Yeah, maybe they could've. And maybe it would've worked?

But I see this argument for a lot of things, from video games to television. And while it' no secret that crunch is awful for production, unless we actually see significant evidence of it then there' no reason to think its effects are significant.

Is it possible that you simply didn't like the choices made with this film, and no amount of time would've caused JJ or Disney to cater exclusively to your own tastes?

 

I think a lot of it stems from JJ being a "late" add and reports of the post-production time being shortened.
The end result of a film that is as frantic as TROS is, makes people think it was rushed. Maybe it was. Maybe they take the time and find a different writer/director team and it turns out better. Or worse.
All we know is what we got and the circumstances around that, and some people would have rather rolled the dice on waiting longer.

 

I actually would kinda like the story if it had been at least two movies. But how it was told or rather rushed through in TROS... That's the problem for me. So, some more time to let the story breathe would have definitely helped.

 

Me too, and unlike the Hunger Games for example this one really had enough story to keep rolling for 4h.

True, but in this specific case we have the editors (or was it just a rumor? Please correct me if I am wrong) stating that they could used up to 3 or 4 months, so it sounds like the production really could have used some more time.

 

The idea that a Skywalker gave an essence transfusion to Rey, and basically lives in her now, was a huge takeaway for me on the first viewing, amplified on the second. Very good article!