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Thoughts and Opinions on TROS' Story

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by GingerByte, Dec 19, 2019.

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Did the story work for you?

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  2. Sometimes

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  3. Not at all

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  1. Martoto

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    Maybe they wanted to avoid any "Ghost Ben would not look like that" arguments.
     
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    This is really fascinating.

    First: we're pretty much 100% in the same boat. I love the OT, and have never had the problems with the PT that many have (IMO, there are just two key problems with the PT: the overuse of Jar Jar in TPM and the lack of on-screen chemistry between Portman and Christensen). I too adore Rogue One and think Solo is acceptable, though clearly it suffered from the myriad of production issues it faced. The ST just doesn't do it for me.

    So what's fascinating is that it seems that I fans/friends I talk to have inverted views of the PT and Rogue One in relation to the ST. If they're generally happy with the PT and Rogue, they seem to be more critical of the ST... but if they're dissatisfied with the PT and Rogue, they seem to more accepting of the ST.

    Its merely anecdotal, to be sure, and probably wouldn't hold up in some type of scientific poll... but I does stand out to me enough that its catching my attention. Maybe it hits on what people believe new stories are supposed to do in relation to the OT?
     
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    Interesting, I've noticed a similar pattern among several friends as well.
     
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    Been thinking about the story of TROS a lot lately. I still really love this movie, but my post-viewing infatuation has cooled down a bit.

    With time to think, I really wish this film had taken more risks. It wouldn't be so bad if the film didn't spend so much time teasing the possibility of risk.

    There are just too many "fake outs" in the film. Several moments that could have been impactful, Top 10 Saga moments get immediately reversed.

    Rey accidentally Chewie could have been a stunning, stakes-raising moment. But no, he's alive.

    Rey killing Kylo in her anger? As jaw-dropping as Kylo killing Snoke in TLJ. But no, he's alive.

    Rey dying to defeat Palpatine? A powerful sacrifice that we all thought Disney wouldn't risk. But that's because, of course, they didn't risk it.

    Plenty of movies are "safe" and still fine, but this film is so explicitly risk averse. In that sense, the story decisions feel a bit corporate.

    But I love where the movie ends up. I love the ending, the themes, the way Rey continues on the Skywalker legacy.
     
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    Even more than actually killing anyone...they didn't even give it any time for the fake out to work. It was all almost immediate.
     
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    Not a single limb was lost throughout the ST. Finn is patched up quickly after receiving what could have been a crippling saber cut up the back and Kylo's facial scar isn't really that horrific. I think that if Finn was shown receiving some cybernetic implants, such as maybe an external spine, and then TLJ dealt with his feelings and fears after (PTSD), it would have been interesting. Kylo maybe could have lost a limb, but that's be done to death, so it could have taken out an eye instead.
     
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    Honestly how difficult would it be to create a Force Ghost Ben? I imagine it wouldnt take more then a few days at most. They have been making Force Ghost versions of characters for nearly 40 years.

    So with that mind, maybe they didnt because they didnt need one and come late November if they had decided they needed one it wouldnt have been a chore to do.
     
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    I actually found the story to be pretty derivative, it's just the sci-fi version of the French resistance taking down the Nazi's. But what made the films -or at least TLJ and ROS enjoyable for me was the character work. And the fact that the characters were allowed to grow and evolve due to circumstances and psychological changes. I loved Rey and found her character growth to be completely amazing. But found Kylo Ren a bit hard to take seriously. I felt that he needed a bigger reason to join the Dark Side than just resentment that mommy & daddy aren't giving me enough attention. They should have given him a major event like a falling out with Han over some mission etc.

    I hear you about the fake outs.

    It would have been nice for some of the instances (no way to Rey being permanently dead), be we were never going to go there in a Disney/SW film. But I am glad they at least went to edge of the cliff even if there was no jumping off. A little of verity makes a film enjoyable. One of the things I loved about ROS and TLJ is that it did not shy away from looking at the messiness of life and the human condition.
     
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    I don't mind that no one lost a limb in the ST. A limb was only lost in the PT after all, because Lucas wanted Anakin's story to mirror Luke's. No one in the ST is really mirroring a previous character, even Ben is trying to become his own version of Vader, not Vader himself. They're only similar on the surface.
     
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    er... there was definitely one character who lost a limb in the ST when you think about it...

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    (he got a replacement though). ;)
     
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    Rewatching the Clone Wars in prep for S7. Seeing this sort of force healing if you will return. It does make sense and isn't out of thin air. It's important to remember that out of all the old stuff that was made into Legends they kept Clone Wars canon. The daughter was strong in the light and was already dying. While Ben is powerful, he is no daughter. Now I'm not sure if this is the force healing we see in Mando and TROS, but I dunno it's interesting. I do think though there is leeway that Ben could've lived. The daughter only died because she was stabbed, could she have lived if she wasn't injured?
     
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    Yeah, The Daughter was dying because she'd been stabbed with the Mortis dagger, the only thing capable of killing her, aside from age. She used the last of her life force to ressurect Ahsoka. If she hadn't been stabbed, shed revive her like it was nothing.
     
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    As evidenced by???

    I'd say most don't know a lick about it and among those of us that do it is divided to what degree is not known and likely unknowable unless someone is going to drop some millions to do the polling to try to find out.
     
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    Less love letter and more just focusing on making a movie would have been much better from my point of view.

    Box checking, fan service delivery system isn't love but rather pandering.

    Give everybody what they want at least from a certain point of view, I think they forgot to mention that Rey's mom was named Mara Kenobi before she hooked up with good old Kevin Palpatine as they forgot to show Rey Kenobi and Mara Jade fans their proper love.

    Oh and Ben's middle name is Jacen, see they forgot the flashback with Leia being angry and calling young Ben by his full name.

    Pulled off fairly well but it is hackery for sure.
     
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    UK: The Rise Of Skywalker sold fewer tickets and made less money than Rogue One did during its run in cinemas.
     
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    Not surprising in a world where there is a 4th John Wick film being made, and Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars. Sales don't always equal quality. That being said, I am glad that this film made a profit, it shows that there is room for films with heart and that are cerebral.

    FYI: I walked out on Rogue One. I just found it a pointless and boring slog, and I could care less about any of the characters.
     
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    Actually, further to my semi-jokey post on this about Threepio, Kylo Ren very distinctly cuts off the lower-arm/hand of one of the Cultists on Mustafar at the beginning of TRoS. You can even see the dismembered limb on the ground next to its owner’s body when Kylo stops for a second before getting the wayfinder. (crossguard)(kylo ren)
     
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    Today I saw TROS for the fifth time. I still completely loved it. I don't get carried away easily, The ending makes me tear up every time. "Rey who? Rey Skywalker."
     
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    Welcome to the Cantina @Derek J Kenney !

    I feel the same about TRoS. And I know multiple people who I went with to see it say they found it very emotional too.
     
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