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THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    192 vote(s)
    57.1%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    148 vote(s)
    44.0%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    200 vote(s)
    59.5%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    181 vote(s)
    53.9%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    128 vote(s)
    38.1%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    123 vote(s)
    36.6%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    176 vote(s)
    52.4%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    219 vote(s)
    65.2%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    147 vote(s)
    43.8%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    225 vote(s)
    67.0%
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    Because stories never borrow from one another...
     
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    I think I've probably lost count of the number of films where a superhero is blasted by a hundred guns and then walks out of a cloud of smoke unharmed. Probably close to as many times that I've seen a hero become an orphan, be raised by his uncle and aunt and then gone on to be a vigilante superhero. Or the princes and princesses who have been raised as commoners and then discover they have a special power.

    So Rian Johnson used a classic scene that has been utilised in a number of films. All I care about is how I felt watching Luke walk out of the base with his laser sword and confront the entire First Order.

    Pumped.
     
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    I guess because a hologram was involved? Anyway, even if Johnson did in fact use this scene as his reference point for structuring that sequence, so what? He certainly wouldn’t be the first Star Wars filmmaker to sample another person’s work.

    “Good artists copy; Great artists steal.”
     
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    + intertextuality.

    It's a common technique in films to attempt to get the audience to draw on their past film and literature experiences to enhance their understanding & enjoyment. George Lucas has used this time and time again, such as the Podrace in TPM being a complete rip off of the chariot race in Ben Hur. If you copy a whole movie, sure, a point can be made about that. But the odd scene or a piece of dialogue? As long as there are different elements, I see no issue at all.
     
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    A couple of days ago I saw for the first time ever K. Branagh’s Frankenstein...
    The movie came out in 95....

    And I was shocked.

    Anakin’s scene above Shmi grave in ep. II is identicaL to that of dr Frankenstein on his mother grave.
    Lines are pretty the same as well...
    But more importantly there’s an entire conversation between Frankenstein and his mentor...
    about cheating death... that sounds so much like that of Sidius and Anakin.
    Also... his best friend and his girlfriend trying to get inside his home... felt so much
    Mustafar...

    Definitely GL was inspired by many things... but I never knew about this one.
     
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    Here's a great vid for any one who wants to tell Disney/Lucas film directly how they feel. I think we should spread this around and encourage every one to do it.
     
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    Thank you for posting more of one of the worst most misinformed Star Wars channel around!!!
     
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    Attempt to insert more fan demands into filmmaking? No thanks. No more demeaning the art, k thanks.
     
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    I sense there is an agenda as a kind of silencing critical voices going on in social media and forums. This makes me hate it much more and it won't silence me. Quite the opposite. Le them do ReyLo and they will face a storm. I don't care if you rate it down, this is my oppinion and I have valid reasons that this is true.

    I read parts of this bs called novel and it is a total waste. :confused:
     
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    I think they think they're helping, and they're actually not. Every time (for example) I see people who liked the movie come to this thread to argue a point they disagree with it just reminds me there are those of us who are fans of the franchise, and others who think they are it's bodyguards.
     
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    They really blew Rian up to be this artistic David Lynch type.

    It wasn't even good visually - even the depth of field looked off to me in many shots. Everything outside of Ach-to lacked the tactile feel that made the first act of The Force Awakens so engaging. This film looked amateur compared to the new Blade Runner.

    The CGI was clearly a downgrade from TFA and Rogue One.. like they'd got a cheaper studio to do it. The explosions looked cheap! I didn't feel anything from the special effects-heavy scenes.. this is a franchise which should be pushing the envelope when it comes to special effects.

    The space battle in Rogue One was tremendous.. as good as it could possibly look. That was in the last act of that movie.. the space battle in the first scene of TLJ was nowhere near that quality.

    I don't know whether Rian was just tired during filming and whether he had a bunch of other responsibilities.. but I really don't get the impression he was "in the zone" while filming the sequence with Finn and Phasma.. wow that was badly done. It was so obvious that they were on a sound stage, Finn had this weird blur to him like they'd not done the green screen properly and just fixed it in post. The deleted Phasma scene PROVES this too.

    Rian simply wasn't the right choice, he'd not worked with special effects enough (like J.J. and Peter Jackson had) and it shows on many occasions. This film desperately needed J.J. as an assistant director.

    Looper had decent performances, his Breaking Bad episodes were good and had great performances.. it's a shame because the Rey/Kylo scenes had grounded performances. You could see some of Rian's strengths as an actor's director.. but in terms of story structure and visuals it fell flat.

    My feeling is that Rian was given too much to do and wasn't able to focus on certain things.. it's a really bad idea to give him an entire trilogy.
     
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    I keep going back and forth with this movie for some of the same reasons that this thread points out. It is just all over the place. If I didn't know better I would guess that it had about 4 different directors that never spoke to each other about the plot, theme or emotion of the movie. It is a hot mess of random jumping around that never allowed me to get emotionally invested.

    ESB had three main storylines going on in the majority of the film.

    1. Hoth (The Big three)
    2. Falcon in asteroid field (Leia & Han)
    3. Dagobah (Luke)
    4. Bespin. (Leia and Han..Later Luke)

    TLJ has, several more..
    1. D'Qar orbital attack and bombing run (Poe and Leia)
    2. Ahch-to ( Luke being a nothing-burger, and Rey)
    3. Raddus and remnant fleet fleeing the First order scenes (Poe; Finn and Leia)
    4. Canto Bite (Rose and Finn)
    5. On-board the Supremacy scenes (Rey and Kylo)
    6. Crait... (Rey; Finn; Poe; Rose; Ren; Leia & Luke sacrificing himself, but not sacrificing himself...Only to later die anyway)
    Way too many storylines.
     
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    Most of them are just able to click the dislike button over and over mocking people, taunting and bullying.
    And when ( for once ), you have some emotions in this movie, they are stolen because it goes the other way one minute after.

    Leia dying then not
    Finn dying then not
    Luke not dying then dying

    At the end, you just don't care.
     
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    My guess is that maybe he could get away with a much more truncated fight choreography because the background was filled with fire and sparks. I remember feeling so underwhelmed by the actual fight choreography that I didn't even notice the effects (or that BB-8 was shooting Storm Troopers in the background like they were plates on a fence). I can't tell if it was just poorly executed or poorly conceived, either way, I hated how unsatisfying it was.
     
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    Angry Rose bit goofy Hux's gloved hand and hung on to him like a dog in a deleted scene. This clip just crossed my path scanning twitter today. More of an accident as I didn't know what the video was about when I clicked it. I have no idea what the other scenes are but I imagine they could be just as terrible as most of the movie.
     
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    I saw it too.:rolleyes: It was more of making Hux into a buffoon. What is the deal with that? I don't particularly care for the character, but in TFA he was a bit Hitler like and no nonsense. Now, he's straight up goofy and I can't take him seriously. This is the leader of the FO? Mickey Mouse himself would be more intimidating.
     
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    Hux made me think of The Gimp in Pulp Fiction.

    There isn't any scene where he isn't bullied or brutalized. Leader of the FO ?

    LMFAO.
     
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    I can't believe I'm saying this, but after seeing the Rose/Hux scene, I can sympathize with the haters. That was awful.
     
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    I don't remember any character having a clever move in this movie.

    Except BB8.
     
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    Someone arguing in favor of their opinion that contradicts yours, makes them a non-fan? Oh my.
     
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