THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

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Intriguing.

 

Very.

There are two points when you can hear screaming in TLJ...

...And one in TFA.

 

I think the worst thing about the film is the score. None of the themes are original, they're either ripped off from the original trilogy (done to death at this point) or sound like re-recordings of the previous films' themes.

The one piece of original music I heard was that the Rose theme.. which was just lame. At least The Phantom Menace gave us Duel of the Fates.

The prequels beat this trilogy on music alone.

 

I say the biggest tragedy that has been done to this new trilogy has been the force itself. It's meaning has changed, and there is no way they can go back. Otherwise they are going to get called out on it. Everything from here on out is going to be questioned when it comes to the force.

 

I'm in no way challenging you with regard to the Force being changed, just unclear. Could you elaborate on how you think this has happened?

 

Force projection is such a stupid new ability.. and Rian's argument was: "But guys, it was written in a 1993 Star Wars handbook. Gotcha."

This was from the period where Lucas cared about Star Wars the least.. he probably never even read that thing. I doubt Mark Hamill even knew about this.

We're going to see all kinds of characters floating through space and teleporting in the TV shows.. the Force is basically a cheat code now.

 

It was fine. Makes about as much sense as any other Force power. I just don't get how 3PO could see him. That's my only gripe.

 

This is further proof that no matter what they do, they are going to upset some people.

The Jedi Path didn't come out in 1993. Not even close. Try 2011.

As for your comment "I doubt Mark Hamill even knew about this." What does that have to do with anything? Is he an authority on the EU and the new canon? Last time I checked, he is just the actor who portrays the character. He isn't the keeper of everything Luke Skywalker. He had NOTHING to do with the franchise for what, three decades?

 

"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future. The past." Yeah, NOW the Force is cheating

 

Really..? Force projecting halfway across the galaxy "makes as much sense" as telekinesis done to objects within, say, a 20 foot range? Can't say I agree.

The very concept of Force projection is so ridiculously powerful that it opens up a whole new set of plot holes.

Except in that very same scene, Yoda also established limits to that ability. Luke asks if his friends will die and Yoda says "difficult to see, always in motion is the future."

Luke sees the future in E5, but only because his closest friends were in such pain. It is a premonition based on an extreme situation (Han's torture), not omniscience. Obi-Wan further places limits on the ability by telling Luke (and, by proxy, the audience) "even Yoda cannot see their fate."

--- Double Post Merged, May 21, 2018, Original Post Date: May 21, 2018 ---

Yeah he was a real jerk who had nothing to do with the franchise for 3 decades. It's not like he ever would engage fans, sign autographs, meet-and-greet, support Star Wars, go to conventions, perform charitable acts, give interviews or pretty much be one of the franchise's leading cheerleaders and an all-around wonderful human being.

</sarcasm>

 

Ignoring Finn's character traits from TFA, creating the force skype, (which was only done in response to Rey's and Finn's dynamic). It wasn't needed. If Rey was played by a man there is no way Rian would have wrote a scene where two men would be touching each other through the force. Yoda being able to affect the real world.

 

Fair arguments.

 

Diversionary tactics as a response? The fact is, he didn't do any acting. He didn't author anything that I'm aware of. Didn't direct any films... If going to conventions makes him an authority, then fine. Performing charitable acts makes him a Star Wars authority? Wow. Okay. And he's an "all around wonderful human being"? Seriously? I don't know the man, so I can't speak to his all around wonderfulness. I'm sure he is.

However, I never said he was " a real jerk." Your words not mine. What I said was, "he is not the all around keeper and determiner of EVERYTHING Luke Skywalker." He is simply the actor who brings the character to life. Of course he should have a say in the character, but at the end of the day, the writer and director have far more influence over that, as it should be. Lets face it, the director is the be all and end all. It's his/her ass that is on the line. The actor will move on.

 

Yes, in premise, being able to cast an astral form of yourself over a great distance is well within the same realm as ‘remote viewing’, ‘precognition’, ‘retrocognition’, ‘telekinisis’, ‘telepathy’, ‘mind control’, ‘mediumship’ etc. It’s a staple within the classic ideas of ESP. I mean, the Force can be used to create LIFE, but ‘astral projection’, that’s just too zany?

That was the whole point though. It was a feat only someone like Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master, could achieve. I really don’t see how it opens up any more plot holes than ‘Force ghosts’ or levitating starships with your mind.

Dude, Luke DIED using this ability. That’s one hell of a limit.

 

You know....no one to even consider advices from, I would continue....Mark is breathing Luke. A wise director would at least ask him about his opinion or anyone else involved for decades in the franchise, instead of going to the yeswomen and men of the Storygroup.

 

I disagree. Those abilities are powerful, but still several levels below the notion of projecting yourself across the galaxy for all to see.

It is not a matter of how "zany" the ability is, it is a matter of how it creates plot holes. It is so powerful of an ability that it will forever beg the question "well why didn't they just Force project in such-and-such situation?"

What makes you say that?

 

Yeah, I just don’t see the difference. That it cost him his life should be enough currency to frame that it’s a power that wouldn’t normally be performed at this level. That’s the perspective to have here. Luke wasn’t shown to be breezing through this little technique like he could have just whipped it out for funzies. It took everything he had to pull it off - literally. If Rey, or anyone else, tosses this out there with no sweat, I’ll profusely apologize, but I very seriously doubt it.

But you could say that about plenty Force powers. Why wasn’t Ghost Obi-Wan training Luke all that time between ANH and ESB? Why doesn’t Vader use Force lightning ever? If size truly doesn’t matter, then why couldn’t Luke just throw the Rancor across that pit or simply press that gate button remotely? If Luke and Leia can communicate psychically then why can’t they find each other after the speeder bike chase in ROTJ? SO MANY PLOT-HOLES!!!

This was his finale. His big moment. Just like Obi-Wan, who used a specialized Force power only he could, Luke needed to demonstrate something above and beyond what anyone else was capable of. It’s common sense. If any halfway decent Force user could do it then that whole scene falls apart. The point was to show us a Luke Skywalker at his pinnacle. A pacifist, who didn’t want to hurt anyone, finding a nonviolent way to still make good on his sister’s hopes in a way only he could.

Look, I’m not exactly a big fan of TLJ, but it seems to me like it’s not enough for some people to just dislike it. They have to hold it to these unreasonable standards that they don’t hold the other movies to so they can dislike it even more. They’re actively trying to find new things to hate about it. That’s so odd to me. Man, I never thought I'd find myself wanting to defend this totally mediocre movie. It's making me want to like it more than I actually do

 

Lol. Imagine the look on Luke's face if he walked in on that. Why are you hugging yourself?