THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

I thought the Luke - Kylo confrontation we got was pretty dang cool

 

The official budget was 200. 70% reshots officially. Unoficially almost the entire movie. So yes, 350. The average money for advertising blockbusters is 250 but this movie has not been seen too much so I think somewhere between 150-200. We are now around 500-550. My guess is then they have to reach 750-800 to be on zero. I don't think this movie will be a big financial success.

 

This would make Solo the most expensive movie of all time and right now the most espensive one is POTC: On Stranger Tides with a budget of 375. So, don't you think we wouldn't know that Solo is now the most expensive one? ;D

 

You're probably right. In central Europe tv spots started last week, no billboards anywhere, no other advertisg, outside StaWars sites no one's talking about it and no one I know will go to see it or knows that it opens tomorrow.

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I guess time will tell. If the budget is too high they usually try to hide it because it could negatively affect the profit. I think we agree that the budget was elevated and the reshots and other things concerns part of the audience so the starting point of this movie is not ideal.

 

just watched Deadpool 2 and it had some fitting jokes about

Spoiler

bad and lazy writing, Deadpool directly addressed this

really a great movie and making fun about so many things that went wrong with TLJ.

 

SW has always had "the old powerful" type of character. I too would have liked a wise Luke, who wasn't flashy, but could beat yo ass up in a second. Like Yoda, who destroys guards with one motion of a hand. This is Luke - immensely powerful, but not eager to use this power.

Not sarcastic crazy old prick who denies all responsibility and acts irrationally. I mean, I could accept their version of Luke (who says go to hell to all), if he weren't so wrong in terms of character. Okay, he's not an almighty god, but maybe don't make him milk an alien cow and behave like a sarcastic jackass? This literally feels like someone possessed Luke. He looks like Luke, but acts like there's a totally different person there.

And yes, the Jedi don't give up.

 

I've never hated a movie before, I've never hated a movie that much.

It didn't grow a bit for me, it is worst every time.

I felt bullied like every character in it. Everybody is stupid, making bad obvious decisions, failing miserably to everything they do.

I don't pay a movie to see galactic losers throwing bad lines and forced humour.

 

Exactly.
I said this long ago... the goal of a writer may be one and if he/she reached
that goal or not another.

I really do think that RJ’s goal, was not to build up the momentum for the finale.

Some scenes, like the milking scene, was put there
because RJ wanted to crash down Luke for almost all the movie so that
the finale - by contrast - would have been more powerful.
I believe that was meant as an apotheosis in its literal meaning.

But to me, it ended up being so unnecessary un-balanced that for many
the result was quite the contrary.

And very same thing may be said for other charactes, but especially with Poe.
There are a lot of people that think he was wrong all the way.
That he’s not fit to lead, if not that he’s a villain or just like a villain...

And that because of the total lack of logic of a plot that was meant (goal) to
make a leader of him...

 

This is only exacerbated by the complete lack of insight on Luke and Ben's interactions prior to the night Ben found Luke looming over him. Without any real expansion on their relationship in the decades prior to the sequel trilogy, the scene just comes off as laughably executed. Just as laughably executed as Rey and Ben's supposed understanding of each other despite them practically being polar opposites and that Ben had attempted to kill her as well as harming her allies not days (at least) before.

As for Luke's actions, the way he offloads all of his failures onto the long-dead Jedi of the Old Republic is especially ridiculous when you consider that the Republic lasted for millennia.

 

I sometimes think that Rian completely forgot that not a single day has passed since TFA. I mean, the characters behave like they had years to change: someone knows how to fly now, someone can swim, and some behave like the death of a father figure was in a distant past. It feels so artificial. Like a sequel to a 30 year old movie.

That reminds me of how furiously Luke was searching for anything connected to the Order in the EU. Now Order is just an easy way to make excuses for his own mistakes. I mean yeah, Lucas showed us that the Order was imperfect, but it wasn't evil, not all it did was wrong. It was a foundation for peace for thousands of years, you don't throw away that so easily!

 

The more I think about it... The more I hate it.
For a movie franchise that's been built around a sense of common spirituality, this was the most spiritually empty Star Wars movie ever made.

 

I have to disagree. Most characters didn't change at all during the whole movie and that's a real problem. On the other hand characters like Kylo Ren changed alot which doesn't make any sense. He should hate Rey, but he doesn't hate her... Weird.

I think this my actual first "hate" post in this thread. Haha!

 

The problem is that he seemingly drops his original motivation simply due to the fact that Snoke dissed his mask. That's literally how that heel turn is made. He goes from "Vader cultist" to "anarchist" virtually overnight because someone made fun of his image.

 

I never really understood how Kylo Ren suddenly dropped his obsession for his grandfather, just because Snoke had him toss away the mask.

 

Speaking again about goal and accomplishment of the goal...
I was reading some of the things RJ said about Kylo in this movie.
Specifocally that we were supposed to know better his psychology by the end of it.
Do we?

Let’s forget whatever we know from other canon material and think about the movies only...

The only thing on screen that was added to the picture is that bit of back story with Luke.

That’s all.

He spend the rest of the movie Force Skyping with Rey, before killing Snoke.

There’s not any kind of insight about why and how he comes to that decision.
And it’s not something that happens all of a sudden, by RJ’s own ammission:
Kylo entered the throne room knowing he would have killed Snoke.

Now I can understand that you did that to save the twist.
That’s the reason.
But don’t tell him that the movie is meant to let us go deep into his psychology.
Because it’s not.

And it’s not even the monologue that gives us that kind of insight....

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You’re both right because on one hand, they are in most of the cases out of character - so different -
but on the other hand I don’t see that much of charater growing within the movie itself.

That is why - imo - especially from the characters POV, TLJ is more a retcon
that a sequel of TFA.

 

FWIW, there are a lot of empty seats in my theater, just before the premiere.

 

There were a lot of empty seats when I was doing seat selection for Solo. I am honestly a bit surprised. Like I expected there to be a packed theater as always and maybe the ability to sustain ticket sales fell off faster, I would not expect to see weak ticket sales on the front end. Still no way to tell if these are isolated pockets of incidents or if there is a larger macro effect. We'll have to wait and see.

 

I wish I could give this a great post rating about 600 times. You nailed it! One of my biggest issues with the ST is that I feel like these new characters haven't been fleshed out enough. With Kylo Ren, the only thing I am getting from this trilogy so far is that because of bad Darth Vader genetics and supposed child neglect he wants to kill his whole family and rule the galaxy. Weak, really weak.

I think whatever excitement that those trailers built up is winding down. It seems like a lot of the reviews are lukewarm on it and let's face it, there's a lot of ticked off Star Wars fans at the moment. My husband was excited to see it, but now he's more like "Meh, we'll see it when we see it." I'll be very interested to see those box office numbers next week. I'm positive that I'll enjoy Solo more than TLJ, but that's not saying much. I enjoyed gallbladder surgery more than TLJ.

 

It's opening day and first time in so many years I'm home - not in the theater - and happy. We watched Jedi this evening - my first and favourite episode - so I have a pleasant night....

 

The same for me, the Solo movie is running right now in cinema here in Germany while I'm at home. The first time ever doing this after 35 years of beeing a Star Wars fan (ROTJ was my first SW movie).