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SPOILER THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    151 vote(s)
    55.3%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    122 vote(s)
    44.7%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    163 vote(s)
    59.7%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    139 vote(s)
    50.9%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    99 vote(s)
    36.3%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    94 vote(s)
    34.4%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    134 vote(s)
    49.1%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    179 vote(s)
    65.6%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    119 vote(s)
    43.6%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    179 vote(s)
    65.6%
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    Max... Really?

    Is this you reacting or this your genuine belief? Because if this is a hot take, on my end I'll just overlook it (we all react sometimes). But if this is what you sincerely believe there is so much wrong with it (some of which we have already specifically discussed) that I'm confused as to how to even approach it now.
     
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    Kind of lame to judge an entire thread off one persons comment. If someone states they care about no ones opinion then there own, just ignore their post and move a long. I'm a little surprised, because you've always been chill in the Finn thread. I enjoy reading your post even though we disagree on pretty much everything, lol.

    Honestly, there is too much thin skin. I know I'm not as active in the forums, but I remember who chooses to only see their side of the argument and take offense when others argue on the contrary; those people I avoid like the plague. I know certain threads bring a lot of those type of people, so I avoid those too. Man in this thread, there was like 2 pages worth of ranting over some silliness.
     
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    “Silliness”? “SILLINESS”?! How DARE you, sir . . . or madam . . . or other. This is an internet forum. All posts must be treated deadly serious at all times, even this one, or suffer the wrath of a very angry keyboard. I’ll let you off with a warning this time. But friend, I assure you, you’re walking on the thinnest of ice . . . . or not. You know. Either way.
     
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    Let's be clear. I'm old enough to appreciate a movie or not. That's why I stated that the only opinion that matters when I left the theater was mine but it didn't imply that I can't read or listen to people who has a different opinion of mine.

    I'm just saying that I'm hardy able to change my mind about this.

    And I'm not gonna harrass people for their taste or belief for this kind of matter and quote them forever until they change their mind and asking themselves to justify their choice.
     
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    You know what else has gotten A Cinemascores? Monster Trucks, Twilight movies, Transformers movies, Alvin and Chipmunks, the Smurfs, and so on. It's top-heavy / high ratings for generally everything. Only 19 movies in history have been given a failing grade. The opening night audience in a handful of the biggest liberal U.S. cities isn't a great barometer of anything - I voted for Hillary Clinton and she would have won 70%-80% of the popular vote instead of 48% if the big U.S. cities were the barometer, and they're not.

    [​IMG]

    Solo has about an average of about 7.2 last I checked about a week ago.

    The Last Jedi is down there with Batman v Superman.
     
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    hey guys,

    said i wouldn't post in here again, but firstly, i can't just ignore someone communicating with me.. and secondly i regret the last line of my earlier message. that last line was 100% rant and annoyance for which i apologize.

    i also apologize to @Bandini for quoting his post, when my issues are firmly and simply with the thread itself - not with the members using it.


    i'm just one person out of thousands that use this forum, and whilst my beliefs and fears are important to me.. i should not jump in regularly repeating my concerns about a (in my opinion) directionless thread that has no topic. Should i ignore the thread if i don't like it? perhaps, but my initial draw here was to understand and support my friends who were disappointed with TLJ.

    If you look at the top of this page, there is a poll. when was the last time that someone discussed one of those points from the movie?
    One of the best and only tools a forum moderator has in their tool box to keep things ticking over nicely without need for warnings and thread locks etc is 'keep it on topic please guys'.
    They can't manage this thread or the other 2 named similarly... well let me re-phrase that - they have no ability to keep things friendly and to keep the conversation moving. threads quieten down and drop down the active list for a reason.. the conversation runs it's course. A new member joins.. finds the thread and adds their bit to it, a few people reply.. and it slowly drops back down the list.

    I've spoken before on how i feel about division or groups within the forum. hearing 'your thread' 'our thread' etc etc literally drives a knife through my soul.. there's enough division in the world already, and i personally don't think it has any place in the Cantina, but that's my inner demon.. not yours. we all have our subjects that we're full of p!ss and vinegar about.. division in society is mine. I hope i haven't offended anyone.. i don't mean to ;)

    I personally think this thread.. the conversation has run it's course. Other threads can be made, and they don't have to be pro-TLJ.. but in my opinion they do need a debatable topic - somewhere they can go. I've said that more than once already, and saying the same thing over and over again is what happens in a thread with no topic - i'm not above it.. it's just what ppl do.

    I've said my piece, and hopefully it's come across a tad calmer than the trash i posted earlier. I have nothing else to add here, so i'm going to find someone else to annoy.. i mean converse with on the forum :D

    p.s. i do love you guys - yeah.. i went there :p
     
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    No problem, buddy, I know who you are.
     
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    Very interesting, did you make that chart yourself?

    Looked up a few myself, especially sites of non-english speakers. They all aligned, putting TLJ out there with the Phantom menace, or worse.

    It is depressing to know the media/Disney created news articles about racist hackers taking down the RT score. People to this day believe them...even though it was an obvious lie. I am having serious doubt to whether or not harassment was why Mrs. Tran deleted her Twitter. Could just be another spin from people who have to much to lose.
     
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    There are people calling for mass shootings at Star Wars celebration... do you really think it's that much of a stretch that KMT was taking flak on social media given that so many critical comments about modern Star Wars target what she represents? I'm giving up social media because it's a cess pool, and I don't even take on crap on there! And, given that rubbish like this even goes on https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...s-female-actors-daisy-ridley-kelly-marie-tran do you really think Disney would continue to construct lies around the second highest grossing Star Wars movie ever?

    I get that people want validation for their opinions, but sometimes you've just got to get things in perspective.
     
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    Now, here's where it gets interesting. Your link. Let me add inn the previous story....from the same alleged group taking the blame for this;

    https://qz.com/1160551/the-rotten-tomatoes-score-for-the-last-jedi-may-be-rigged/

    The same story was all over the web...basically writing the same thing. Now, if you dig a little deeper:

    https://www.inverse.com/article/39555-last-jedi-star-wars-rotten-tomatoes-hacker-hack-bots

    So, you're telling me this dubious little group, perhaps just one person, is behind all the shenanigans. Twice. And, that it took this guy 6 months to harass KMT into leaving twitter...just as Solo bombed and there was a lot of bad press. That is just too coincidental. Don't underestimate the power of Disney's PR department.


    Now, what I do buy is this; Females in general, especially public figures, get a lot of hate and harassment by some sad members of the human race. I think this happened to KMT. As it has happened to Cher, to Oprah, to Winona Ryder, to Daisy Ripley, speaking about gun control...) to basically quite a lot of women who stick their heads up. Sure, the hate against TLJ will have made for some hateful people taking it out on her. People will always write crap...it's the internet, home of quite a few trolls and worse. Here there be dragons.... and probably a few comments here and there direvted at her personally and not the absymal character have been made the last 6 months.

    I just don't buy the timing or media attention NOW, or that this fringe group here has much of an impact. This has to be a story about a small bigoted minority for them...not the story of the most divisive SW movie of all time.
     
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    Where has anyone called for a mass shooting at Celebration??

    Please show me where such a thing was ever called for. I would like to make sure the proper authorities are informed.
     
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    It was YouTube, during the live chat trashfire in a CJC episode recently. It was reported and the posts were removed after a time, though I have no idea if if YouTube take that kind of thing seriously or not.

    But that brings me on to my reason for mentioning it...

    .. I'm not mentioning it to lend weight to one side of the debate about TLJ, Disney or whatever... I'm mentioning it because it takes NO effort, no time, and no thought to launch a totally disproportionally hateful attack on the internet... there is a large degree of anonymity and very few consequences - it lends every assistance to individuals that want to make a lot of noise. We see it in fandoms that are nothing to do with Disney or Starwars, so I'm pretty surprised you favour the idea of corporate level conspiracy over individuals doing what individuals do on social media, that's all.
     
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    Then you quite misunderstand what I am saying. Let me empasize; we agree on how easy it is to spew something out on the net. People do it all the time, in all franchises, in all circumstances. Including star wars. Thought I wrote that clearly enough.

    I do not think Disney planted anything at all...it was always there, and will always be a part of the social media, unfortunately.

    But, the reaction to it came now, at this time 6 months later, and it spread just like the hacker hoax regarding TLJ audiences scores. Like I said, many people will believe that story years from now, even though it was denied by RT. In this story we haven’t even seen confirmation from Mrs Tran as to why she left...could be due to filming for all we know. Boyega commenting today hasn’t even spoken to her. He is just reaction to the media spinning on it, from Johnson, Hamill and various celebs/pundits. Perfect story, and so fitting with metoo/taking a stand against harassing women in general.

    I’m not saying Disney planted anything. But they sure as hell are good at spinning things the way we want, and they have a small army og personell and co-dependents in the media to do it. Their network is insane. Don’t be too naive when personal careers and millions of dollars are at stake. I would not put it past Disney to feed a story like that to the news agencies and push it hard to get attention, whether or not Mrs Tran quit due to having enough of trolls or for any other reason.
     
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    Millie Bobby Brown just this evening got chased of Instagram. I find it peculiar this trash is happening all over the place and in the past but barley nothing was said. For some reason but rightly so people are only talking about it now? I hate social media it can make you feel lonely and ill. I for one am delighted this bullying is in the news but my word what's happened to Kelly is not isolated. There has definitely been a lot of spin on the incident. People are not running people off social media because of one damn cruddy film. It's deeper than that. You got to look at the bigger picture and that bigger picture is bigger than Star Wars. I would like to write more but I would be reprimanded.
     
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    I miss George Lucas.
     
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    I obviously disagree that this thread has run it's course, it's as many pages as it is because there IS something to discuss; if it's not refuting obfuscations about fan dissatisfaction with TLJ, it's noting new plot holes and inconsistencies. There is, of course, nothing that precludes any poster from starting a new topic while this one continues on. But there is no implicit requirement that we discuss (for example) the poll in this thread - just as it would not be for other threads with polls that aren't addressed.

    I think part of what hampers your call for a new thread and new discussion is that TLJ doesn't really lend itself to future speculation; there's very little to project about EPIX. And SOLO belly flopping like it is, for some reason just isn't generating much conversation (I know because I've been in the thread looking for a discussion or 2 that interests me). The second problem is, we remain firmly rooted in our disposition on TLJ (pro and con), whatever debate comes forth is likely to coalesce along those lines.

    Threads run their course when people are done posting. It's happened with numerous other threads, in fact most threads eventually taper off naturally, not with anyone trying to accelerate the time table. I think you're just going to have to ignore this thread and start a new one where there is something new to debate that interests you (though I can't imagine what that might be based on where TLJ left us)
     
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    John Lennon died of this.
     
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    I like to think I'm a pretty empathy-driven person. It may not be true, but I like to think it. But, if you saw a guy and girl walking down the street, and you walk up to the guy and say "This is just my opinion, I'm sure we can politely disagree, but your girl is just, the ugliest thing I've ever seen. She is just a real, dog. And that smile? Stupid. LOL!" are you then dumbfounded that you're finding yourself in a conflict? It's that phrase "The guy was asking for it." What does that mean?

    It's one of those things I think when I see a thread on a forum, that says "Haters welcome" or something similar. It's like I'm walking up to a biker bar and see a sign reading "Haters welcome!" now I don't claim to be a prophet or the son of a prophet, but something tells me that's not going to end well. If you're sitting in that bar and your friend is with you saying "We are free to think as we wish, and our opinions on Harleys are as valid as anyone in here" wouldn't you respond "True but best just to keep that to ourselves in the present locale"

    I just, don't understand, what you think is going to happen? Why would you even want to be in the place to begin with? I don't like pop music. Why would I possibly go to a "pop music is great" site/forum and start talking about how much I hate pop music. Why am I there? Why am I even being welcomed there? I don't like pop music and, because of that, I never talk about pop music. The only time you're going to here me talk about pop music is if someone asks "You like pop music?" and I'll reply, "No, not at all." And that's when the subject usually changes to something I do like.

    I guess what I'm saying is, when you say, you've been in a conflict ever since TLJ, I'm thinking, are you not asking for conflict?
     
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    If we were asking for conflict, we would do it all over the forum which is not the case. It's like asking the beaten woman : "Hey didn't you deserved this ?? "

    We're not going to agree there, if there is 5 respectful posters who rated my answer as great post, it is because it's talking to them.

    The dude I had a discussion there was only coming for conflct, he did bring NOTHING to this discussion except that we are liars or idiots.

    Enough is enough as wisely said the mod.
     
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    People still would've hated his ST...:rolleyes:
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