THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

It is a line of dialogue I would've liked to have heard compared to what we got. But as I said, this wasn't merely additional dialogue or a gap being filled (which is what I would've expected), it was fundamentally different than the movie. It's possible it was part of an earlier draft that represented a different direction, but the author of the Comic doesn't seem to address that or why there is a delta (at least not in Tweets). Maybe in the interview he gave to JediNewsUK he expounds on why they chose it for the Comic Book.

 

If they changed anything due to the critizism, they would not divulge that now. Not with the strategy they took when the backlash arrived. The guy would not be in a position to say anything else than what he posted.

Who know the truth of the matter, but it certainly highlights some of the faults that made it hard for this movie to stand on it’s own feet and get overall praise from fans equalling it’s predecessors from the Disney era.

 

I understand why you don´t care about Finn. He is a buffon and the actor is overacting. THat´s not Boyega´s faul, I´ve seen him in other movies and he is a good actor, I think the directors wanted him to act that way...

 

I "don't care" about him because he simply had the same arc from TFA and in TFA I liked his character alot. I don't think he's overacting btw.

 

+1 The deleted scene with him fighting Phasma - now THAT was bad acting.

 

Probably the reason why it was cut. Haha! Too bad! I really liked the "Stormtrooper Revolution" idea.

 

Me too. And to my mind, it's seems inevitable that we won't be getting the Revolution in Episode 9.

 

But now it will feel rushed and not satisfying. You have to properly set up such an important plot point. Either it was never planned or JJ wants to pull the (Mission) impossible. xD

 

No. Just no. If a writer cannot properly set up a subplot in one film just because it is a part of a trilogy or cinematic universe, then maybe he should reconsider his career choices. Creating setups and payoffs is a screenwriting 101 and not doing something because there was no set up in a preceeding movie is, simply put, lazy.

 

Wow, for the first time some one uses my own arguments against me. Haha!

Usually I would agree. But this is a trilogy and not independent movies. A good writer can definitely pull it of, but it doesn't feel the same in the context of the trilogy. Just imagine Kylo being full time evil in TFA and TLJ. In EPIX he gets suddendly redeemed. No... This would feel rushed. There need to be hints for that. Okay, a Stormtrooper revolution isn't as complicated as a redemption, but you get my point.

 

It's been a few days since I've had the time to visit this forum, and have only just viewed the responses I've received. I think too much time has passed for me to address all of them like I have before, since it would just derail the topic some more. But I will say in response to @DarthSnow in regards to my posts, as well as everyone else I've been addressing:

Upon revisiting my posts and how they correlate to the nature of Rule 12 about "bashing other users", I'm not certain what precisely it was I wrote that could be considered an attack on other users and not a counter to their viewpoints. Regardless, if there's anything I wrote that could be interpreted as an attack on another's character and outright user-bashing, then I apologize. That wasn't my intention at all, and I'll try to regulate the tone and direction of my posts in the future.

 

hi @Darth_Nobunaga!

maybe a point of clarification can be made here.
Rule 12 specifically addresses bashing other fans, but it extends to the franchise in general (see bolded/colored phrases below).

From the Rules and Regulations: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/rules-regulations-v1-5.1/

When criticism becomes inflammatory, insulting and disrespectful to other fans, it impinges upon their right to discuss and express their enjoyment of everything Star Wars. This is, of course, unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

If you are here simply to bash the Star Wars franchise and its fans, then take it to another website where that kind of behavior is considered acceptable. It has no place here, and will be grounds for permanent banning.
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it is not our intention to censor people who need to vent or tell anybody how they should think or feel about Star Wars, but repeated and sustained insults and/or inflammatory remarks directed at any aspect (including actors, producers, directors, etc.), will eventually land in violation of the rule. Star Wars is a big franchise with plenty to talk about and we encourage a healthy discussion. but if someone's whole discourse is to snipe and grouse and say unsavory things, it's not healthy for them or the other fans.

this is why we take a hard line on people calling for boycotts, for example. if you truly are a fan of Star Wars, we expect you to respect that there's something in it for everyone, that we as individuals do not speak for all fans, and that we shouldn't root for any of it to fail.

we want you to have fun here, be engaged, and even get things off your chest, but we also want to uphold an environment where we can be respectful of each other and of the art and effort of Star Wars (even those bits we don't agree with or love). it's the difference between saying: "i don't like Canto Bight and thought it was too prequelly-looking and the fathiers were doofy" and "Todd Cherniawsky is clearly the biggest idiot ever and obviously doesn't know anything about art supervision or Star Wars and is probably a secret nazi and he's going to deservedly fail in life for ruining the movie".

i hope this helps?

 

The rules make sense, as well as your example at the end. The example you provide is clear as glass.

What confuses me is where @Darth_Nobunaga posts degraded into bashing the franchise as a whole, and it’s fans, here in the TLJ hate thread.

There must be a very fine line between critizism and bashing, as well as insults and just being snippy.

Perhaps it could be wise for the discourse to show exactly where Darth_Nobunaga was in violation of rule 12 with a specific example from his posts? That would be very helpful.

 

@DarthSnow called it out (on the previous page). as mods we will always try to do this.
again, please keep in mind, this is also about a level of sustained grievance using language intent to do harm--either to the community or to the franchise.
"i hate TLJ!" is fine. "i hate TLJ and i'm going to make it my mission to sling poo at it every chance i get" is not (we don't want poo in the forum).

we want you guys to have this thread especially to feel free to express your frustration, talk about the issues, even doomsay a little.
but we also want you to remember that there is still joy to be had ~ and hope!
the whole saga is about hope, isn't it?

the Star Wars family is vast and we're all connected by it--it brought us together here.
so let's be kind to one another...and be kind to Star Wars!
it isn't always perfect, but then it can't possibly be all things to all people.
so try to assume good will on the part of the other posters and on the part of LFL; they aren't out to "get" the fans or push an agenda to exclude anyone.
if anything, it's the opposite: they want to make this world bigger and better and sustainable for all of us.

we don't have to love the parts we don't love, but please let's not waste all our energy on hating the things we don't.

 

Well it looks like I'm back in this thread after a few more viewings of TLJ. I hated the movie when I saw it in December, and posted in here before it came out on BluRay. Then I saw it on BluRay a few times and it started to grow on me and I went into the like column. Then I saw it again this weekend and the only parts that really hold up for me are the Luke/Rey parts. So I'm back in the dislike column again, and I can honestly say I despise the Holdo character (Don't bash Rose, Holdo is worse!)

 

I lived part of my life in eastern Europe before 1989. The govern always told us how to feel, what to think. Since then we appreciate the freedom of speech. The world today seems to be more restricted then ever, it's like a constant witch-hunt like the one in Hollywood these days. It's absurd. You never know which finger of the Inquisition will point at you. A life in fear because the line is so blurred that if someone sleeps bad that night and screams Blasphemy! you are toasted.
Instead of having a little faith in our judgement of what is wrong and what is right, you are trying to educate us, treating us like babies. It is your site, you are free to do whatever you like. But I will still Keep saying that is not fair, that is no democracy. I never liked if someone is rude, calling names, talking bad about other person. People are comming here by their own will, they want to discuss the movie. Look at the name of this thread. If someone comes here looking for fight, who might it be? Hater or worshipper?
We all are fanboys. There's at least one movie we love. But we have right to dislike what we think has not enough art quality of our standarts. If you don't like that not all the fans are worshipping everything Star Wars then why you allowed thread like this? It is not very popular saying You can hate, but just that little. The world is less free every year and You are helping with it. You can say Enough of hate but that won't change those who didn't like TLJ. The result will be that less people will come to this site. There are so many threats, only few negative, people can chose where to go, but why do you think this one is so alive? Because it attracts more...again, your site your rules, I just want to let you know that to me it's not fair. I know, the world is not fair, hahaha. Ah, and I don't wast ALL my energy, I still love intensely the original hexalogy and I'm the same fanboy as most of my life.

 

as you indicated, this is a privately owned forum (not a democracy). and the comparison to real political struggle is odious.

think of it this way:

this is an internet party for Star Wars at someone's home, to which you have been invited. it's incumbent on you to be a gracious guest.
would you go to a party and insult the guest of honor (the franchise), deliberately offend the other guests, pee on the carpet, and make threats?
do you think the host is required to put up with that kind of behavior? or that it's a "witch-hunt" to ask you to leave?

your host understands and accepts that there is some passionate disagreement about the direction of the ST--and passionate disagreement is welcome.
what's actually not fair to any of the guests is allowing passionate disagreement to devolve into gate-keeping, insults, and other alienating behaviors (which, i'm sorry, but it does in this thread quite frequently). so no: no threats are permitted, period.

that's not a rule of censure; that's a rule of civility.

 

I've been pretty vocal about my dislike of TLJ and only once have the mods needed to contact me about going too far (due to multiple dislikes in same thread, same person I believe, and encouraged me to use disagree or clouded more often. The mod was quite civil and patient when I contacted them. I've since used the lowest denomination, not the highest in my rating.). I've mostly got it out of my system, and I've repeated it several times over the 7 months or so and never really let up. I've also made some (I hope) positive contributions to the forums in other threads trying to shine some light on the franchise and hope for what's to come (and no, it isn't 9). I don't consider my contributions in this thread to be negative towards the franchise, only to the ST. I and many fans see a distinction there.

My belief is that you'll get called out if all you are doing in these forums is bashing the franchise and segments of the fan base, taking that dislike to other parts of the forum with the same intensity we have here. First, it should never be about the person, but about the movie. Second, have the grace to acknowledge that you hold a single voice in a chorus of fans, thus allowing for other opinions. I think those of us that frequent this thread enjoy the debate and dissent to some extent, while others may just be seeking to be reassured that we're not alone in our dislike (am I a troll, sexist, bigot, racist for not liking it?) because TLJ spans through many emotions and the most common reaction from LFL has been calling out those extremes on the dislike part of the fan base (at least, those are what get the headlines).

I think a lot of us forget to agree to disagree (some of us may even deny others to step out of a particular debate when this is attempted). I would see an intervention from a mod as an opportunity to take stock of what I'm saying. I see it as less punishment, and more learning experience, getting perspective from how your communication style could be interpreted by fans of opposing views . Both sides get carried away so without mods, the forums could and would get pretty nasty. Personally I believe the mods have done an excellent job even when they don't particularly agree with certain opinions, and that must be a challenge at times, so for that, pat yourselves on the back.

 

great post @Sparafucile

a lovely thing to say, and it presents an opportunity to say something that simply does not get said enough...

the mods and staff here are all volunteers. They give up their time freely to contribute to the running of this site.. and all decisions made by them are for the good of the site and to provide the best and safest possible arena for us fans to discuss all things SW and more.

personal time given up by other people for a service i use... is utterly precious. I for one would hope that everyone sees their time as precious, and i make no apologies for saying that anyone who doesn't respect these people (nearly all of them qualify as that ).. you know where the door is.

harsh? perhaps, but i know for a fact how much of a strain has been on the mods and staff since December. We have it in our own hands to make life easier for them.

 

I tried making this point earlier in this thread but didn't do it as succinctly as you just did. I had to do a LOT of this, creating "inner fan fiction" to piece together a coherent plot for this film. Once I deleted that from my mind and watched the film again... Wow, what a difference. At least for me.

I'm with you in that I still have two trilogies which I really love (even the PT has started to grow on me for some odd reason). I really like TFA and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Rogue One. Solo was fun and I'll end up owning it eventually, but I'm not rushing out to purchase it. I also have the books to continue to explore (I never read much of the old EU, but I'm doing so now).