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THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    171 vote(s)
    55.5%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    135 vote(s)
    43.8%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    183 vote(s)
    59.4%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    161 vote(s)
    52.3%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    115 vote(s)
    37.3%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    108 vote(s)
    35.1%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    157 vote(s)
    51.0%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    198 vote(s)
    64.3%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    133 vote(s)
    43.2%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    206 vote(s)
    66.9%
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  1. Sparafucile

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    Awesome post, drop mic to standing O.

    I don't think the people who love this film understand just how varied the dislike of TLJ is, or how people made conscious and unconscious decisions on how to deal with it in the aftermath. I don't think they understand how varied the fan base, both hard core all the way down to general audience is. LFL and Disney stick to a few theories, and fans expand slightly on those, but it goes so much deeper and splits in so many directions. Speaking from my own personal experience, the more I delve into TLJ, the more ways I find to dislike it, and by extension the ST, and I'm one of those who really tried to change my mind on it because I wanted so desperately to find the qualities those who love it do. My effort wasn't a waste, as it helped me understand and sympathize with those who loved it, but try as I may, I could never come around to agree, only understand.

    I think the variety of ways of disliking TLJ is going to be the major hurtle for IX and the overall view of the ST once it's done. They've painted themselves into a box in so many ways, they literally can't get themselves out without losing fans (or at least I don't see how). A lot of people I talk to, they won't come back until there's a fire sale of KK on down, they simply have zero faith in the creators anymore.

    I find the whole experience curious now. I've mostly detached myself from the stronger feelings I initially had, but I'm now more of an observer to the curious phenomenon as I'm seeing that only now some people who I knew to be fans are starting to talk about it. It's like it was a trauma that was so unspeakable they simply didn't want to mention it. Now that the season is reminding them of that experience, they seem to be wanting to open up. I know people who steadfastly stayed away from any news about TLJ since first seeing it last December. They simply wanted to forget it ever happened. It's weird, because I delved into all this for the past 12 months or so, while they took a different route. I've gotten over it, while they're just now facing the issue. I see my old self in them, it's like a second wave.

    I find it so curious, because I wondered why so many people around me simply didn't want to talk SW or vent with me that I had to seek out an avenue online to process all of it. I know this is all anecdotal, but it has me wondering if we've minimized the brand damage. I wonder if maybe the attacks (counter attacks) on the "ists" or "isms" that came after TLJ internalized the hate for some. They didn't dare speak out or process all of this, out of fear they be lumped into those disreputables. It does however have me very curious to see how IX does. I'm curious to see how much of a bubble I'm sitting in, how greatly I'm insulated from the rest of mainstream, or my experience, though anecdotal is more or just as accurate and I should have never doubted my gut.

    This may be a big reason why people have battled so hard on both sides, and the strange desire to convince the other side. It goes beyond SW in a way, it may change how we view the world, or how we perceive it. If IX comes out and gets 2 billion, I have to evaluate how much I've insulated myself. If it pulls in less then 800 million, maybe lovers fear they might have to face the reality that they've isolated themselves in a bubble and make evaluations of their own.
     
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    You make a great point about how one side or the other may have to evaluate their thoughts and opinions on these films. At first I thought I would only have to boycott solo to get my point across. Then people tried to find other reasons for the failure.

    Now I have to not go see episode IX cause apparently the very vocal respectable fans whom expressed their displeasure of tlj aren’t really being taken seriously.

    You’re definitely right though. If it makes 2 billion, I’ll just have to accept the fact that I’m in the minority and will have to suck it up. If it doesn’t do well like solo, it’ll be interesting to see how the other side reacts to it.
     
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    I don't know anyone who relishes the idea of having to eat crow. Having to re-evaluate how you view something that's important to you isn't easy. That alone for many would be more than enough incentive to fight so hard to maintain their perception, even to the point of attacking others. Our egos are fragile things, just when we think we have it in check, often that's when reality has a way to show us we still have lots to learn.
     
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    Life isn’t easy. Evaluating your thoughts and beliefs isn’t easy. But to not accept the facts that are in front of you is to live life in ignorance. I’m not afraid to ask questions if I don’t understand something. And I’m not afraid to admit defeat. I may not be happy with the results, but that shouldn’t stop me from accepting the truth.

    But you’re 100% correct. Egos are fragile. People don’t like being proven wrong. But we won’t advance as a species if we don’t learn to accept the facts that we don’t agree with. That’s part of the problem society is facing right now. It’s easier to find like minded people to agree with than to learn to accept different opinions or facts that are true.
     
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    It's funny, but back in July I was on this very thread, and I admitted that my reactions to TLJ were: first viewing, unsettled. Second viewing (after reading the glowing reviews): something is wrong with me. The film is obviously good (everyone said so), so I started using head cannon to make it so. Then in the Spring, after discussing it with a friend or three, and realizing no one I knew liked the film, I rewatched it on iTunes and had to agree, the film is garbage. Then, and I forget who it was, essentially called me an idiot for giving in to the anti TLJ crowd.

    Since when has it been bad to reevaluate our thoughts and opinions? I do it all the time. But by now I realize the film is bad and the writer/director knows NOTHING of the Star Wars universe. The creative people at LFL have driven this train off the tracks.

    It's funny, but one of my high school students just mentioned TLJ and that she thinks it sucks. It's has ruined Star Wars for her, and she isn't excited about IX, nor did she go see Solo, mostly because of the mess that is VIII. I also don't know how they can fix this, or if they can. Even if IX is as good as it could possibly be, how good is that? They ruined the story of Luke. Leia will be dead. Han is dead.
     
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