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THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    185 vote(s)
    56.4%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    144 vote(s)
    43.9%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    194 vote(s)
    59.1%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    174 vote(s)
    53.0%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    125 vote(s)
    38.1%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    119 vote(s)
    36.3%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    170 vote(s)
    51.8%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    211 vote(s)
    64.3%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    143 vote(s)
    43.6%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    220 vote(s)
    67.1%
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  1. Jedi77-83

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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...alker-cant-retcon-the-last-jedi/#74b4f8af6ca9


    This is an article just published by Scott Mendelson from Forbes talking about how Episode 9 should not retcon TLJ. Now I have no problem with that premise, even if I don't like the decisions made regarding TLJ character arcs. What I take issue with his article (and by the Media, Disney and the Pro-TLJ crowd) is blaming us for not liking it with our wild theories.

    For example, he says it is our fault (the internet) for speculating about Rey's parentage, and JJ/Disney never threw that mystery box out there in that way. That is total BS, as they had The Skywalker Saber call to Rey in TFA? That would leave many to speculate that Anakin/Luke's saber calling to Rey only, COULD make her another Skywalker? Again, it doesn't mean it has to be, but the movie clearly leads you in that direction. The 2nd TFA Trailer has Luke Narrating it, "My father has that power, my sister has that power, you have that power too!" Again, one could speculate that he mentioned his father and sister, he could be talking to another Skywalker?

    The 2nd issue I take with him in the article is he says that Grumpy Luke was the only logical outcome for TLJ, as it blames us for being wrong that we wanted a Luke more like ROTJ. Again, I have no problem if he says that he likes Grumpy Luke, but don't blame the fans because we got something drastically different which NOBODY even speculated about after TFA.

    This is why I was always bothered by the Pro-TLJ crowd is they just didn't defend the movie by saying what they liked and leaving it at that. I am never going to call out a person for liking a movie because it's all an opinion. But I will call them out when I get called out for supposedly being wrong about TLJ and it was my fault for speculating about something that JJ specifically set up to be speculated about!
     
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    While I agree that it's very silly to put the blame on fans for not liking the film. A lot of reasons are legitimate, even if I disagree with many of them... I really do agree with him when he says that Grumpy Luke was the only logical outcome. Well, firstly, even though I know he's been given the "Grumpy" label, it's off base imo, it's far more than that. But even then, I think TFA prepared us quite well for the version of Luke that we eventually got in TLJ. I never expected him to greet Rey with open arms. Luke disappeared, he left his family, everything behind him. For him to act any other way than what he did in the film wouldn't make sense, at least in my opinion.
     
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    I think Grumpy Luke was a possible outcome, but not the only possible outcome. I was expecting ‘Plan B’ Luke in TLJ (which Mark Hamill expected too). meaning something bad happened, but he had another strategy. That is no different than ROTJ when everyone in 1983 saying that ‘killing Vader’ was the only option. Luke has a plan b to redeem him. That’s what make his character so great is he thinks outside the box.

    Again, I get annoyed by this ‘only option’ as that’s not fair to the viewer cause we all see things differently. Another example is saying the ESB twist in 1980 was the only option. It turned out to be a great option, but there were other options Lucas could have taken the Saga.

    I just don’t like putting the blame on the fans with these mandatory outcomes, and it’s their fault for not thinking like that. I want to reiterate I have no problem with anyone who likes the film, but I resent that people say it’s my fault for speculating wrong or even speculating at all when a plot point is left wide open like that.
     
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    Grumpy Luke could have been amazing it just wasn't good enough on the point of delivery. The execution was infantile, the segway between the OT and TFA was simply not effective enough in fact ignored. Grumpy Luke is actually a good starting point but then you mix in stupid scenes like the throwing away the lightsaber and milking the siren. Followed by throwing Luke under the bus to facilitate sympathetic Kylo. It just pulls down the fences and the heart and soul of the ot. The film could have been so much better.

    Also a lot of people delighting in the KoR comic news from yesterday. That story should not be in a comic. It should have been in the TLJ. In fact am quite bitter about that fact and basically why am not impressed with this news. They should of been right there in TLJ. A decision lost upon me.
     
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    Also, some of the information in the Aftermath series should of been in TFA such as the explanation of the state of the galaxy.
     
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    But hey, instead of all that wordy world building crap we got the amazing Holdo and the super duper fantastic Canto Bight!!!! You manbabies just don't get how awesome and smart RJ is. LMAO

    Seriously though, I've said it before and I'll say it again. In a vacuum, grumpy Luke is ok. I in fact love the idea of world-weary and war-torn Luke. I wouldn't expect him to be the bright eyed naive guy he was in IV. VII is 30 years later. At 48 I know I'm not the same guy I was at 18. However, the explanation is for why he is the way he is is threadbare at best. Childish and verging on non-existent at the worst. The humor, as @p03 points out, is just horrible. And now that I've seen the trailer for Knives Out, I really think RJ is in over his head. That trailer has more of the same ridiculous humor (Chris Evans just yelling out the same curse word over and over????). The tone of the film is all over the place (sound familiar)?

    Anyway, here is an article about how JJ is trying to fix what RJ mucked up. Take it with a grain of salt, but I too have run into no one who likes VIII. My campus has a squad of us teachers who are Star Wars freaks, and none of us likes it. As for my students last year, same deal. None of them likes it and none of them is excited about IX. They all thought the Last Jedi was crappy. And look, I know there are those of you who do like TLJ. Good, I'm happy for you. I despise it and you won't change my mind, so no use trying to convince me it is really good. Thanks.

    https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-new-hope-rise-skywalker
     
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