THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

What didn't we like. Please, see the movie before you comment. And please provide substantive analysis. There were some good things about the movie, but there was plenty, in my opinion, that I absolutely despised that overshadowed it.

I'll start:

There was no strengthening of Finn, at all. Finn fans were right to lament the marketing, it was truth in advertising.
Phasma is ENTIRELY undeveloped. It's like they just gave up on her.
Luke's portrayal - Mark Hamill did a great job but I think he spoke the truth of the fans when he said he disagreed with fundamentally every decision Rian made about Luke
Snoke's demise - I mean seriously? No back story, no understanding how he fit into this story, how Ben came to be corrupted, how he knew about the fall of the Sith being precipitated by Vader's compassion, how he managed to take over the remnants of the empire. Nothing?

 

I don't have enough time to post everything I disliked! I'll start with the cluster of a plot, or the complete lack of plot. It's like TFA never happened, nothing was built upon it, no questions were answered, characters were killed off and thus made pointless. Wondering about Snoke? Eh, oh well, who needs to know anything about him. Hoping to see Phasma do something cool? Nope, we get minimal screen time and then she croaks. Looking forward to learning about Rey's family, a reveal that was supposed to be "profoundly satisfying" according to some of the powers that be? Drunken junkers, yep. So far, the only part of the audience who seems satisfied with that is the portion who wants Rey and Kylo to bang. We're now supposed to believe that Rey's heritage has nothing to do with her being super jedi and she's just that special- just because. There's nothing satisfying about that and confirms her as a Mary Sue.

Some of the scenes that made it into the film were so cringey and eye rolling. Luke milking that creature, Leia flying in space, force face timing. WTF? Luke "dies" by force projection. Force projection? Yeah, something that they just made up on the fly and we're all supposed to accept it, no questions asked.

I could go on. Unfortunately, I agreed to go to another screening tomorrow. Maybe this time it won't be as bad... but probably not. I'll try not to LOL when Superwoman Leia flies through space.

 

HATE is a strong word, but hey it should have been better the way LFL said they loved it and gave RJ the keys to a new trilogy. I'm wondering will KK boot him off the new trilogy now? Or does she like the film so much that if it makes a bucket load of cash KK will keep RJ on?

I like how the book: the Legend of Luke Skywalker was referenced but Luke was Yoda in ESB. After Han's death in TFA I immediately predicted that Luke would die in 8 and if Fisher was still with us die in 9. It was just a foolish prediction to make way for the new cast for upcoming trilogies but hey... this did not go the way I thought... RJ is a nice guy so I won't crucify him films are subjective. I really want to read the Princess Leia book now to see how Holdo and Leia met and Vulptex...

 

But do you hate the OT for not explaining the Emperor's motivations, or how he "acquired" Darth Vader, or how Vader came to be, etc?

 

Thanks for that Thread. Thanks for channeling emotions from fans that disliked the movie.
I am one that loved the movie. But I think I understand why so many fans will go emotional on that one and dislike the movie.

- It does a 180 degrees with The Force Awakens
- It plays with sensible cords from the Original Trilogy (Killing off some beloved characters, expanding on elements from it but not in a direction most fans were expecting)
- It is like Rian Johnson took back a toy that was "What happens after Return of the Jedi" to fans all around the world and ran with it.
- Star Wars was never meant to be a Sci-Fi film... and this one is the closest to that statement: it's a Western-Samurai movie on alien worlds.
- Kids will be confused by this movie.

So, it's a controversial Star Wars episode. Big time. Some fans will be hurt badly.
For my part, I never was in that EU stuff. Never read a book or a comic. Luke Skywalker was not my favorite character and I never "expanded" his post-ROTJ story in my mind. More than that: I never envisioned Luke as a "white knight". The Luke I had in my mind after watching ROTJ in 1983: he was conflicted and dangerous. I remember when we were speculating on TFA, I was suggesting that Han & Leia should be separated and got hate on the boards. So, the sequel trilogy works well for me until now, but I totally see how at last half of the fans are in shock.

 

Another thing I hate, I realize old characters eventually have to die off, but Admiral Ackbar being swept off the deck unceremoniously as he was? I was not a fan of that. At all.

Anothing thing: I feel like they looked for comedic moments that took away from Rey's gravitas. I get it she's not trained, but she's powerful and in particular she was serious about confronting Snoke and she is treated like a joke the entire time in the throne room. I mean getting hit in the head with the LS when it's supposed to be serious moment? It just didn't work.

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The OT was introducing us to the GFFA while at the same time advancing a story within it. And the OT does explain, even if at a high level, what happened to Anakin. The PT expounds on the details (and we learn more about Obi Wan and Yoda). The acting may be wooden in some of the movies, and I still don't know one person that is on board with the Midichlorians, but the story telling only had to bridge the gap between what we already knew and the origin.

 

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to... suffering. Let go of your hate. Or since Yoda seems to be wrong about everything anyway, go for it lol, it's up to you. Just thought the words of Yoda and Luke would cheer you up a little.

 

I don't hate the movie, but I absolutely hated some aspects of it. I give it an 8/10 but that WILL go up or down later.

The Maz Kanata bit. It was so cringey. It felt like the kind of cameo you'd see in a non canon video game or some silly spoof. Pointless.

Canto Bight. Story and character wise wise, it was okay. DJ was meh. But it felt cartoonish and sillier than I expected. Like the worst parts of the prequels (2-headed sportscaster, sportsbar and diner)

So far the sequel trilogy versions of the Cantina scene have been a letdown. But Maz's Castle was infinitely more interesting than the Casino. And I am still underwhelmed by it.

Cantina > Bespin > Jabba's Palace > Mos Espa > Maz's Castle >>>>> Canto Bight > Diner > Sports bar.

I have no problem with humor in a Star Wars movie. I demand humor to be a part of Star Wars.

But I was occasionally disappointed about where the jokes came from.

Rey getting whacked in the head by Snoke with a lightsaber might be the most egregious.

In the OT, as goofy as he was, Luke rarely made a joke. He was earnest and too serious. Which is why he contrasted so well with Han. But there were absolutely no jokes in the final throne room scene in ROTJ. Which helped you focus on the other character contrasts.

I have no real issues with Luke now being funnier and less serious. Especially because Rey is very serious.

But it seemed like they didn't let many characters be serious in this film unless it was as a punchline. There is a balance that felt off in my first viewing.

I hope those of you who hated it overall find more to like in future viewings. I know I am hoping the same for myself.

 

Don't understand how that's a troll, just trying to be nice.

 

I loved the final scene in TFA. It felt epic and powerful, a great cliffhanger. What did Rian Johnson do with that scene? He made Luke throw his lightsaber away in a "funny" way. He transformed one of the best scenes in TFA to something that made me think about a stupid SW parody. It felt stupid and basically destroyed the ending of TFA. I hate this.

 

Some of the scenes were like space balls

Agree with him ruining the final TFA scene


For me RJ just doesn't get SW. That was a very unclassy film.

 

I didn't hate the movie, but one of my biggest problems was what they did with Finn. He doesn't do anything and is hitched together with a secondary character and has no setup for the future, which is surely going to put him in the dust bin of IX. What made TFA good was his dynamic with Rey. His place in the story should have been with Rey and Kylo, force or no force. Finn was a driving player on the search for Luke, and that didn't pay off for him. I expect JJ will course correct that front, but I don't think he should even have to.

I have little hope though because JJ kinda of crapped on Finn too.

 

It's okay to hate a Star Wars film. Don't let anyone tell you that you are not a fan of the franchise just because you don't embrace everything stamped with the logo. It's all good. I DESPISE Revenge of the Sith, DESPISE and disliked Rogue One, so I get it, I truly do.

I also sort of get the rant here, the problem as I see it is the crowded cast. There's too many characters. Even R2D2 is a total back burner character now.

That said, I think Mark Hamill's performance here really redeems a crowded, bloated film. Mark did such a tremendous job and I believe he has as much affection for the character as the fans do, or at least he understand the importance of the character to so many of us and guards the integrity of the character because of it.

Also Mark's disagreement with Luke's direction is overblown, if you read the headline on that story it appears he hates the story, but if you read the details, he was just as confused as the fans were that he has lost his faith. It also overlooks how Mark has already stated that after talking to Rian and giving the script some loving attention, he became extremely proud of the film and its performance.

Luke saves this film, it's his crisis and ultimately his self-sacrificing redemption that make the film worthy.

But hate away, because I can't sit through another 15 freaking minutes of Revenge of the Sith, so I get it, I truly do.

 

I just feel really really bummed for you all. That's about it. I'm sorry you all can't enjoy it at all. I'm being completely sincere. It just bums me out.

 

I think you guys missed the point of hitting Rey in the head. Rey tried to grab the saber with the Force. Snoke took control of it and whacked her in the head to show her he was in charge and in control. Snoke has no intention of turning Rey. He wanted to know where Luke was and nothing more. Snoke is a user. Han told Ben that in TFA. He is using Ben and manipulated Rey to get her to come to him. The emperor was trying to get Luke to take Vader’s place. He wanted Luke to turn not just to get info from him. The emperor and Snoke had very different motives.

It does surprise me how many people are upset that we don’t know about Snoke. We really had very little info about the Emperor. We didn’t know where he was from or how he gained his power. We had no idea how he seduced Anakin, just that he did. Hell we were first told Vader killed Anakin. The Emperor’s death was just as shocking as Snoke’s. The Emperor thought he had full control over Vader and Snoke thought he had full control over Ben. There over confidence got them killed. Arrogance was their undoing. The Emperor never thought for a second that Vader would turn on him and was shocked when Vader picked him up. Ben was more devious, as he knew Snoke was reading him. Snoke just believed Rey was his greatest enemy. Ben wants to turn Rey not just use her for info. Ben is disparate for someone to understand him. He knows Snoke is using him and Snoke has to die for him to rise.

We still know nothing about the Sith. It’s never explained at all. We know the Emperor is a Sith but I don’t know how we know that. I don’t recall it ever being said the Emperor is a Sith in a movie. The Sith are what? I know they are against the Jedi and use the dark side of the force but that is all the movies really tell us.

We forget how little we knew when we watched ANH. We didn’t realy care who Luke’s parents were until Vader told him he was his dad. Before that it was ok that he was just a farm boy from a backwater town that becomes a hero. It was ok that his dad was a Jedi that was killed by Vader and it really wasn’t important to the story until the end of TESB. Now Rey’s parentage is the most important part of the story. I think they are trying to tell us heroes come from every walk of life and it doesn’t matter who your folks are. You can become great even if your patents were worthless. You are not defined by where you come from but by what you choose to do with your life. This point is made again at the very end of the movie when the “slave” boy uses the force to grab the broom. A Jedi can be anyone, you don’t have to be rich or powerful or the child of a Jedi to be a powerful force user. I thought the prequels made that clear as it appeared Jedi were not allowed to marry or have kids. That means most Jedi children were not born of Jedi. Rey doesn’t have to be the child of a skywalker to be strong in the force.

 

Super positive about everything Star Wars. I love all 7 movies, Rogue One, the games, the comics, I understand TFA was just a soft reboot but don't care. Hated this film. It was like a parody film that occasionally featured real moments from the saga but played them all off as if it was trying to ape the Sarlacc pit Boba Fett moment. Felt almost like sabotage by a company that feels too bogged down by all the baggage that comes with this saga who wants to kill it, let the past die, and justify making their own trilogy.

I've been so positive since 2012 all the way up until a day ago, but that embarrising mess had killed it for me. What a bloody let down. I can finally empathise with those older fans who left TPM totally dejected and bummed out. Lol. Guess this officially means I'm a bitter old fart now ...Or am I? The film was shockingly bad!

 

Opening space battle, fine.

Rey, Luke scenes as a whole, terrible.

Snoke, a wasted character.

Space Leia, felt indifferent, no love or hate.

Space chace between the FO fleet & Resistance, tedious.

Praetorians, cool yet silly looking.

Maz scene, pointless could of bin Lando.

Where the €◇€k is Lando?

Canto Bite, rich people r evil message not needed.

FinnRo, pointless.

Haldo's last stand, Awsome.

Poe, ok

BB-8, still cute but the peel away AT-ST was silly.

Porgs, moving on.

Kylo, much improvement.

Phasma, wasted again.

Hux, well, at least he didn't give a winded speach.

Final battle. Good.

Reylo vs Praetorians. Good.

Uncle vs nephew. Ok.

Luke, dies of a heart attack.

Twin Reunion, touching.

Rian Johnson, i hate you. I hope your trilogy flops.

 

Luke getting pasted by the wampa - pointless.

Kenobi is a bloody ghost?! Come on!

Threepio comical scenes embarrassing.

Luke and Leia kiss - whaaaaaat?!

Space slug - seriously?

Vader video call choking - puhlease!

Kermit the frog Jedi master - just no.

Kenobi made to be a liar - character ruined.

No proper ending? Stupid.




Hopefully you get my point.

 

I hate when everything in a movie isn't written out in the open and tailored to fan's expectations. I'm a well adjusted adult who thinks there needs to be more explosions and lightsabers and everything explained! ALSO I HATE HUMOR... AND SAND!!!!

 

Yeah, i do but at least TESB wasn't trying 2 reinvent the wheel.