THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

People are also more disproportionate with the things they love. It's true for Star Wars but it had been true also for GoT ( which I didn't watch ) and Lost for example ( which I really liked ).

 

People pre-2014 wasn't saying that except for the people like me who defended the PT. PT felt nothing like SW according to what people were saying at the time. Even RLM disagree with that assessment since they were absolute right among the PT haters

 

Maybe, I wasn't much on the Internet on 2002, It took long before I was able to buy my first computer.

BTW, I always said I liked the prequels even if it surely had flaws.

 

Not sure if you missed my response but I asked to see the results for the controlled samples you speak of. Do you have evidence of this?

 

I think early on there was merit on both sides for victimhood. It's hard not to, as someone who did and does not like TLJ, that when I'd argue points, some people would return with calling me racist or sexist, flat out. Basically trying to dismiss anything I said by placing me in a certain box. It happened, not always directly but also using insinuation, a lot and it's hard to say those attacked (I wasn't alone) were not victims. That said, some comments deserved some calling out too.

I think if we're to heal as a fandom, we have to agree that people on both sides of the argument were often not at their best. We'll never agree on the movie, but the behavior and attacks should be pretty clear. I'm not one to run and cry victim, but when you feel yourself being silenced or invalidated by putting words in your mouth, that isn't fair either. I've only ever reported one person on here, I mostly didn't address innuendo, as that can be open to interpretation. Attacks happen, that's why there are mods to address it, and people on here should be encouraged to use them and report if they feel they are being treated unfairly (visions of Vader and Fett talking here lol).

 

You are absolutely, 100% right, sir. Thank you Love is the way.

 

I feel as though you are attempting to suppress our ability to have free speech and voice our opinions and thoughts. This thread is titled "Thread for those who hated the movie." - Let it be. It's the largest and most active thread in TLJ section so maybe it should stick around, it keeps members active and participating which is healthy for the website. Discussing how awful many of us believe this film is might make the franchise better in the future. It has its place.

 

@cassidy The Internet is a big place... I'm sure you can find another fan website.

 

I just don't understand what's wrong with people disagreeing about something. That isn't a bad thing. We all have to learn to get along and respect each others' views; that's a tremendous part of life that we all have to learn to accept. The title of this thread is clear, and those that venture in (that like the film) wanting to shut it down should simply go visit the Thread for those who loved the movie.

 

It's not about loving or hating something it's the constant personal attacks that still apparently continue. I don't want to derail this thread that much further, because I loved TLJ.

 

Totally agree. Personal attacks should not be tolerated. But for those of us that do not like the film, this is a place for us to go to discuss our opinions.

 

Actually I don't want that place to go away either although I did like TLJ, but...
the issue is not talking about what you don't like and nd how you feel about it.
It is that after such a long time that is so much name calling and how stupid LFL is, how obviously they don't understand Star wars...
while the issue mostly is that they don't understand Star Wars in the same way you do. That is of course annoying for you, but the issue is the tone and dealing in absolutes.
Other than that I always come back here from time to time to learn about the issues fellow star wars fans have with the movie and how they feel about it.

 

There are a lot of teenage girls very fond of Rey and Finn and a lot of ladies of all ages very impressed with Kylo Ren... I think Star Wars is just expanding its audience and appealing to a different demographic (in certain cases unwittingly, I'll grant you that.)

 

Sorry but that's just not the case. Even Bloomberg had an article about how Star Wars is failing to bring in new fans, especially among younger people and kids.

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Cassidy has a 100% legit point. This thread was started so that people who didn't like/hated TLJ could have a place to discuss what it is about the film we didn't like. I think it is healthy to have a place where the people who didn't like it can discuss why. That helps to keep other threads more free of criticism (i.e. if I want to vent about space cow breast milk, I can come here and do that instead of going into the "loved it" thread to do it). This thread becomes our outlet so we don't need to turn other threads into referendums on the movie.

Now, of course, all members of the forum are welcome to participate in all threads. I have no problem with that. But what is happening is the "loved it" crowd is hijacking the "hated it" thread into a crapstorm with the incessant arguing. So now the "hated it" people are potentially going to be punished by having the thread shut down when we are not the problems here.

I respectfully submit IMHO that would not be fair.

 

we do not subscribe to "there's no such thing as bad press" sort of mentality here, so high thread counts don't matter to us.
likewise, anyone--self-proclaimed lover or hater--who contributes to toxic discourse is responsible. period.

toxic behavior is not tolerated on this site and a good number of people who have failed to 1.) stay on topic, and 2.) be respectful have had their posts deleted, have sometimes been censured, and in some cases, been asked to leave (that goes for both sides).

nobody is being punished if they follow the rules. it's that simple.
and to make it even more simple, we're not messing with threads like this in the future.
then everybody gets to be moderated equally in threads meant for everybody to participate in.

that's fair.

as previously posted, anyone who wants to review our rules can do so here: RULES & REGULATIONS V1.5

 

Yeah, I normally wouldn't post here, but...

See, the way these forums work is by a pretty typical chronological bump- basically, if a thread gets a post in it, it gets bumped to the top.

Even though no one is forced to read this thread, it's pretty regularly bumped to the top of the list by people constantly talking in it. Again, it's been almost two years.

That's pretty obnoxious for any thread, really, not to mention something as inflammatory as this topic.

Personally, I'd consider that spamming a thread at this point, as I don't see any way a discussion of any value is actually going on here at this point. However, I definitely think that the fact that there has been continued back and forth between those who don't like it and those who enjoy this thread has definitely done a lot to prolong this thread's longevity.

So basically, if you want this thread to die, stop commenting in it (I'll certainly continue to be doing the same, now).

If the haters continue to bump it unprovoked with no other input, no doubt it'll be closed.

 

Yes, it's been two years and many of us still strongly dislike TLJ, which has kept this thread going. If you are tired of seeing the thread bumped to the top, perhaps you could post in the thread about those that liked the movie instead of opening this one.

I can't move on from it. It is my opinion, and just as though I must tolerate people praising TLJ, others must tolerate those of us that dislike it. That's a big part of life, not just with Star Wars.

There's no need to chastise us for expressing our feelings on the topic. I, like everyone else on this forum, am passionate about Star Wars and hope that we can all continue to express our thoughts regarding the franchise regardless of what you believe. If you do like the film, maybe your annoyance on this topic should make you consider that it would've been a more pleasant commutative experience had Johnson created a less divisive film for the fans - but, that didn't happen. It is what it is now, and we must deal with it like adults.