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SPOILER THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    156 vote(s)
    56.1%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    124 vote(s)
    44.6%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    167 vote(s)
    60.1%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    143 vote(s)
    51.4%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    101 vote(s)
    36.3%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    96 vote(s)
    34.5%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    139 vote(s)
    50.0%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    183 vote(s)
    65.8%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    121 vote(s)
    43.5%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    185 vote(s)
    66.5%
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  1. Blue Harvest

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    I'm glad you liked the movie and all, but saying that TLJ has "won" is just categorically false.
    "Star Wars: The Last Jedi is set to have the biggest week-to-week drop at the box office, based on total dollar amount, in box office history."
    http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/24/star-wars-the-last-jedi-week-to-week-box-office-drop/
    The current audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 49%
    Merchandise sales are down 56% from TFA and down 47% from Rogue One.
    https://www.cinemablend.com/news/17...-are-comparing-to-those-for-the-force-awakens
    Adults just don't like this film, their voting with their money and kids just don't want the toys. (dad)
     
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    But, but, but, it's the bots and the alt-right conspiracy folks!!!! LMAO! I thoroughly enjoy coming in this thread and reading the posts containing paragraph after paragraph of lecturing about why we are all wrong and this is the best Star Wars movie EVER. It's desperate and ridiculous, yet very entertaining to me. I don't give a crap if people like this movie (though I question their taste a bit), so why do the lovers of the TLJ care if someone else dislikes it?
     
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    To be honest I have no idea what you are trying to say, what Kylo does is irrelevant because he is the bad guy, if we are taking what bad guys do as the message a movie is trying to promote then Star Wars promotes genocide, murder and many other terrible things...
     
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    Rotten Tomatoes now at 49%
     
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    I agree he is the bad guy, but since you asked what conservative or progressive values it promotes. I just wanted to point out the differences when the OT was made compared to now. Family meant something. When looking back on Luke in ROTJ, Luke reflected that when he was pleading for his father to help him. Look at the family structure now, and look at Kylo's actions. He throws family away. He is still the bad guy, but he is also the result of today's broken families.
     
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    Wanted to make a point here......

    I at first didn't like TFA...... then it grew on me...

    Same sentiment with TLJ..... and now it is growing on me....

    Without going into too much detail, and as someone who was so outspoken against the choices made in this movie, what if this was what was needed?

    Think about it..... what if we needed the abstract not what you expect to occur?

    If Snoke had survived for example and it went that direction people may have said: It's another ripoff.... Palpatine 2.0

    That is just one example. I'm sure people can cite many others.

    Take the Luke milking the sea creature.... everyones reaction "wtf was that".... but again..., what if that was needed? In a strange way.... it made SW strange again.... like watching ANH for the first time and rewinding the Cantina scene just because it was so weird and so much was going on.....

    What if all this was needed?

    Now grant you, I still disagree with some of the other decisions.

    But I would like you to ask yourself, what if some of these decisions were needed?
     
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    I don't think anyone should be seriously worried about the franchise. Star Wars is effectively too big to fail. The worst that will happen is a Justice League situation where the disappointment of previous movies leads to a below-expectations-but-still-hefty box office take for Episode IX.

    What I do think is a problem, and what may be the real issue underlying the angst here, is just what a colossal missed opportunity we have unfolding. Some of the most iconic characters in the most compelling fictional world are being dismissed in a very mediocre way. There was fertile ground for new characters and big ideas, but the new characters are mostly flat and the ideas have been retreads, misguided, or just plain silly.

    It reminds me a lot of two of the bigger disappointments of the past twenty years (excluding the prequels): The Matrix sequels and the Hobbit trilogy. Both had such great potential, but poor choices ruined both. I'd say TFA and TLJ are better than both, but the feeling of a huge wasted opportunity is very similar for me. Maybe for others too.

    On the bright side, Rogue One showed us that there is still room for great movies in this universe in the future. So that's something we can pin our hopes to.
     
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    If this is accurate, then this is what Disney may be afraid of, not the BO.
    In general terms, sure a SW movie (this or another one) may get more o less profits
    but the BO won't ever be a disaster = a loss.

    But that is not the only thing Disney is interested in.
    Merchandise, DVD sales... sure.

    But also: huge - very huge - investments in the Star Wars-themed areas in their Parks.
    If you lose families, you may lose those monies.
    Or you may come to the conclusion, that you could have invested your money better,
    choosing something - instead of SW - that would generate more profits.

    What companies like this consider, is not as simple as we spend X, then we have to gain Y.

    But we spend/invested X on this (SW) instead on another thing, because we thought we can gain Y.. more.

    I'm not saying that Disney is already disappointed.
    Not at all.

    But that, no matter the BO, Disney will look carefully to this specific segment of the audience
    to determine if things are going right/wrong according to their strategies and investments.

    And to be fair, I'm starting to think that TLJ is not a movie Disney wanted.

    It is the movie LF was given the chance to make, after the success of TFA and RO.

    Looking back, it seems that Disney didn't want GL... it seems Disney (not LF)
    wanted TFA to be a "safe" move.

    Then KK was free to chooce all the "new and creative guys" she wanted.
    Jhonson, Lord and Miller for the Solo movie.

    With Lord and Miller things got wrong... but the conflic was between them
    and Kasdan.. the "safe" guy.
    And they passed the movie to Howard, another safe choice.

    With Jhonson things went well and LF was enthusiastic.
    And sure Disney supported the movie, but there was not reason not to do so.
    Because everyone involved in the production, was fine.
    And it was - I suspect - because it was 100% a LF-Jhonson movie.
    There wasn't any Kasdan equivalent involved...

    With IX, problems with Trevorror... movie again to Ambrams.

    I believe that behind the facade, the relationship LF-Disney is far less
    idyllic than it seems.
     
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    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/fe...-wars-the-last-jedi?slideshow=132403#/slide/2

    You're the writer. That's just ridiculous for why FInn and Poe couldn't be on an adventure together. It also would have kept the character count down in a movie that's already bloated with too many characters and subplots.

    It doesn't get any better for his explanation for why Snoke's story isn't in the film.

    https://heroichollywood.com/star-wars-rian-reveal-snoke-last-jedi/

    Hey writer. You could have connected Snoke's past to Rey in some way thus making it interesting to Rey. But nope.

    Even a child wouldn't write Rey seeking out Kylo Ren right after seeing TFA to save the universe. A child wouldn't do that because it's beyond idiotic.

    The movie even takes other people's good ideas (Battlestar Galactica episode '33') and turns them into garbage. It poorly executes its bad ideas and poorly executes good ideas.
     
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    I would pay Larry Kasden £100,000,000,000 to rewrite Last Jedi and forget that RJ monstrosity ever happened.

    I feel for Mark Hamil and Daisy Ridley.. I've seen enough interviews now to know there just being diplomatic when they say they are happy with TLJ. You can tell inside they don't like it.
     
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    That’s funny because I can see pride in Mark Hamill when he talks about this film. I guess one of us is wrong. But then that wouldn’t be the first time in regard to this film...

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    The original (THR) article in question dosen't say a single word about merchandise sales and especially not about it's connection to the reactions of the movie. It's a rather vague pre-release estimation and not concrete numbers.
    It says: Star Wars "Last Jedi Toy Shimpments" were down 47% in the seven months leading up to The Last Jedi.

    Merchandise sales aren't that easy to quantify. The financial reports for the final quarter of 2017 (the most important) aren't even out yet... Plus there are several non- movie quality related factors. For instance the overestimation of merchandise sales/shipments to the Asian market and especially China (a market which dosen't seem to connect with Star Wars at all). Or TFA simply overwinning itself (just like its BO performance).

    So statements like this:
    Are not supported by any realiable source so far.
     
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    Yeah cause milking repulsive Alien nipples and winking at 24 year old girls is exactly what Mark had planned for Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

    And your gif just makes for cringey. Belongs in space balls not SW.
     
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    Pretty sure the point @Aglarion is making is that Kylo is supposed to be demonstrating what NOT to do. He’s the bad guy. You’re not supposed to align with his outlook. If he devalues family, then the intent is for you to identify that perspective as wrong.
     
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    It seems to me as though the TLJ filmakers chose a story that deliberately stoked pluralities of fan thought - an approach that may be new to the saga.
    • We had Jedi painted as hubris ridden failures and inspirational legends.
    • We had Rey and Kylo coming together and a deeper separation between the two.
    • We had a disillusioned Luke wanting the Jedi to end and an invigorated Luke paving the way for their continuance.
    I wouldn't be surprised if acknowledging differing ideas in a complex narrative played a part in heightening fan division and resulted in some unexpected blowback.
     
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    Im totally confused......

    Luke said its time for the jedi to end....

    And then...

    "I will not be the last jedi"....

    So which is it? I'm confused by this whole trilogy to be honest at this point.
     
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    Why are you asking this question in like every thread?
     
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    It was important.
     
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    I still can't process what a severe letdown this film was, it felt like Dave Filoni made it.
     
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    Good points.. however I would just say the director didn't know his ar$e from his elbow.
    It was going great till RJ shat on it.

    Yeah! Let's make Luke milk nipples and wink at young girls!
    Yep! Let's make a Rey's mum and dad space junkies!
    Yeah! Let's make Leia a floating space popsical and run around in hospital clothes!
    Yeah! Let's remove shove Finn out way and make him shout chrome dome!
    Yeah! Let's kill off cult hero Akbar without even a cool exit!
    Yep! Let's chuck that Arthurian level lightsaber away like it's a dirty tampon!
    Yeah! Let's just pie off Phasma, she wasn't cool looking at all!
    yeah! Let's have our new Vader mkII run around topless flirting, and decide his cool headgear is "ridiculous"
    Yep! infact, let's poop on everything Larry Kasden and JJ done. Mix blast up a little.
    Let's flood the film with random force stuff that's never been seen before cause nothing in canon will do.


    What were they thinking?

    WEAK
     
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