Thread for those who loved the movie

I really wouldn't have, because that's what people were expecting.
Actually, this whole mess with Rey's parentage makes this classic more relevant than ever:

 

I tend to agree with the others. I preferred Rey Kenobi to Rey Skywalker because it gave the most chances to expand the universe of any of the "legacy" lineages for Rey but her being no one does the best at expanding the galaxy rather than shrinking it.

When every character is related to another character it shrinks the world. Game of Thrones has this problem that will bite itself in the butt by the end. Everyone is related to everyone in some way and it muddles the story and begins to make things very predictable. The show is still good but this groundwork laid by GRRM can only have so many logical endings before you just *know* what's coming.

Same with Star Wars. If Rey was a Kenobi or Skywalker, when the next main character is revealed in 10, 15, 20 years...it's just "well, who is this one related to..." rather than an actual story.

 

Honestly, the only way GoT ends logically is if everybody in that generation just dies without heirs and the Scholars & Warriors set out to build their own more just society without incest or familial strife.

At least, that's my viewing of GoT right now. They all have to die.

 

Basically.

Star Wars needs to keep pushing away from that mold.
Skywalker was the most important name for a time. But it can't be the only important name.

 

They've beat us to death with foreshadowing the past season that some elements are too predictable. Plus, killing off characters became a gimmick to the point when the Snow cliffhanger happened no one bought it.

One of the weird complaints about TLJ is that it's "poorly written." It's usually a reflex thing. Sure, people don't like story choices, but TLJ was written well. Part of why TLJ worked so well is because it was very well written. That scene with Yoda and Luke is perfect. It's perfect because of everything that happens in the film that builds to that moment.

 

Yep. Saying it was poorly written is just a blanket way of saying you don't like it but you aren't positive how to articulate it because, for all intents and purposes, it's incredibly written.
There's objective ways to evaluate writing and it not be subjective. Some is good, some is bad but you don't have to like all that's good or hate all that's bad.
TLJ is objectively well written

 

While it is called The Star Wars Saga, a lot of people (even Lucasfilm themselves at times) refer to it as The Skywalker Saga interchangeably. They'll say seperate from The Skywalker Saga when referring to other film projects. I wouldn't be opposed to a new family of trouble makers like the Skywalkers however.

 

I believe it was after TFA and before TLJ JJ and others said that as they were writing they realized they had to bring Luke back into the film very late because Luke would suck all the air out of the room. Exactly as you said with Luke around no other hero's matter. A death by Kylo or even Snoke's hands really ruins Luke's journey. So TLJ to me gets it right. He sacrifices his life in such a huge legendary way to create hope and also put doubt in Kylo more now then ever. Kylo is now completely alone.

I got what I wanted just not the way I expected it. I wanted Luke to ride off into the sunset. He got exactly that. The ride is a little different, but that sunset as he becomes one with the force was incredible.

 

Hopefully it came across, but just in case there's no shadow of a doubt, I was being somewhat sarcastic/tongue in cheek in my post about how Rey being related to Kenobi would have 'blown people's minds.'

I agree, although my personal feeling is that there were only two things Rey could have been.

Either she was a Skywalker (Luke's daughter) OR just 'nobody'.

They went with the better option Ithink, for all the reasons you gave (and was my 'fan theory' after TFA - such a shame I wasn't a member of forums back then to say 'told you so' with smug satisfaction ) .

Being a relative of Kenobi would just be uninteresting I think, offers nothing to Rey's story and just pointlessly sets up the idea that Obi-Wan had a brother or cousin that we'd previously never heard of. It would be a revelation that has no worthwhile meaning to Rey.

 

I agree then we need some way for it to be depicted on screen that doesnt turn out to be some sort of nonsense. Thats a huge issue with all the theories. They need a huge amount of time an exposition given to explaining wait Rey is related to X person. Cant simply be said. Need to find out how, how the person who tells her knows, how they ended up picking Jakku, why she was abandoned/hidden, why the person never came back, why Unkarr Plutt was trusted, etc. etc. Hell could be a movie all by itself.

 

If people hated Luke as a recluse imagine how they'd hate Luke the guy who abandoned his daughter on a dessert planet with Unkar Plutt and just went off to sulk.

 

It was a pick your poison choice with Luke. I've heard numerous things people would like to have seen. A chorus of people complaining about what they didn't like... I don't think there was a magic bullet for Luke. I'm just happy we got something done very well and that benefited the story. That was pretty much my only requirement for these films.

 

my magic bullet for Luke was that he did no harm to his nephew and in doing so, lived up to the code he touted in RoTJ.
and he did. so i could not be happier. : D

 

The thing is, the "Luke should have been bad ass" and "Rey needs to be a Skywalker" ideas are antithetical to one another yet they share such an overlap of fans.
Luke was a no win situation for those folks tbh. There's no way to add new characters and progress this forward with Luke outside of how they did it.

 

So many beautiful moments in Rey and Luke's training.
I love how lighting tells the story...

 

That's exactly what I thought when Disney bought it. If they did the E.U. (loosely or otherwise) then they'd have to recast, and people would have not accepted it. And Hamill and Co. was not at the age to do anything massive (See: Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull). They could have theoretically done something else but the fans would still check out once Luke or Han or Leia was removed from the story to let the new characters take over. That's nearly impossible in a trilogy setting.

Instead, they got a burnt out baby boomer that failed to bring about long-lasting change, and the next generation having to pick up where they left off....wait...am I still talking about Star Wars or real life? [And that is an awesome thing]

 

Personally I never expected them to do the E.U. in any way, shape or form. But that's just me. And definitely since they had Mark and company in their 60s (70s for Ford) it would be crazy to expect them to run around like they were 20 years younger than they are.

For me the problem wasn't so much the fact that we got "grumpy" Luke, or not enough Luke. I wanted a better developed REASON for him being that way. And not just the excuse we were given about him seeing into Ben and sensing darkness.

 

It's no different then Luke going to Cloud City solely based on his senses. Yoda even says (in TLJ), "always looking to the horizon, never his mind on where he was."

 

Clearly a genetic thing.

It's more plausible Luke would react that way than a Jedi trained for over a decade by other Jedi and seeing countless Jedi die on a battlefield yet still never getting any help from the wisest of all Jedi alive at the time......well, long story-short....Anakin's turn was harder to believe (until reading the ROTS novelization) than Luke's aversion to repeating a cycle of light side-dark side violence.

 

Well, I don't see this kid going "Not my Luke."

And apparently he does care about the character, check this out if you haven't: