Thread for those who loved the movie

They're actually standing about five feet from each other when R2 and BB-8 resolve the map, but yes, that doesn't mean they were ever introduced.

 

Thank you. Where was during the battle of Starkiller Base?

I'm not lazy but random googling can lead to spoilers and rumours.

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And yet you return to it after turning it to melodrama.

Not at all the same situation. They were in the same room and even on screen together as @FN-3263827 points out below.

 

if i had to guess, it was hovering in airspace over D'Qar (i don't think they park ships like that on the planet). XD

 

Yes but both care about BB-8 and are the only people in the galaxy who care about Finn. They didn't talk to each other? BB-8 didn't say "Rey, look my buddy that we thought died is here", etc

Abrams should have had them both at Finn's bedside at the very least, but most certainly Johnson should have had their scene together as though they've spoken before.

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I wonder what the explanation for why it wasn't used in the battle?

 

they're strangers to one another regardless of their mutual connection to Finn and BB-8, and there's a story beat more pressing calling their attention in the moment (i.e. the map, which is the whole reason they have been brought together and the throughline of the story--that's what matters).

in the original script/novelization yes, they were introduced and spoke to one another, but it didn't happen in the movie because it's not pertinent. they do know who each other are in TLJ (hence "i know"), but again, they obviously haven't had time to get acquainted. Johnson added a scene to make up for the one cut from TFA. maybe that feels awkward to you, but it's just how the thing rolled out.

to me it's a minor beat that's not critical to the story of TFA at any point, and which TLJ patched in. shrug-worthy at best?

if you mean in TLJ, it's because they weren't supposed to be engaging in a battle with the Star Destroyers (they are outnumbered and outclassed).
Poe was supposed to distract the FO and slow them down while the Resistance safely evacuated D'Qar. he got carried away because he believed they could take the Dreadnaught down--not realizing there was no point to it and they'd just waste resources in ships, people, time, etc.

 

In the story Poe and Rey are main characters, but I'm not surprised that they didn't interact until the end of TLJ. Poe's priority was in a different place and Poe wasn't really a priority for Rey after SKB was destroyed.

 

They met in the TFA novel but that apparently did not make the film. I’m going to assume (that can be trouble) that the way RJ started off TLJ and all that took place in the short amount of time between the two movies that Poe and Rey never had the opportunity to officially meet. RJ probably realized this possibility and took the opportunity to have them officially meet at the end of TLJ

 

One of my favorite film pundits, John Campea stated, the books aren't canon because Poe and Rey met in TFA novelization. That's his reason to forego Star Wars books, due to them officially introducing themselves in TLJ. Campea stated, 'Paraphrasing' he won't waste his time on the books. He's a busy man. Also, I remember reading the films supersede the books, so whatever happens in the films is official and overwrites the books, therefore; Campea is right the books aren't really canon. What sucks is I collect all the comic books and the novels. My favorite thus far is the anthology, Journey to Star Wars: The Last Jedi The Legends of Luke Skywalker by Ken Liu.

 

The novels are canon but the movie novelizations are tricky because what happens in the movies do supersede those novels. However since the other books don’t cover the exact same material as the movies like the movie novelizations do they are just as much canon as the movies. The canon is no longer tiered like previously

As far as Rey meeting Poe, the canon version is them meeting at the end of TLJ. I think this was needed since they did not meet in TFA the movie and I feel like we needed to see this. To make things even more complicated, if Rian had not put the scene of their introduction into TLJ, then the official canon version of their introduction would be in the TFA novel.

 

That's just Campea being over dramatic about something.
If the thing that ruins continuity is an insignificant change in Rey/Poe's first meeting, I can't take the opinion seriously. I like Campea too. But he does have a tendancy to get over dramatic about things like that.

 

I had been thinking that the Mon Cal cruiser would have a big difference at Starkiller Base - that it could bombard the ground and was more than a match for First Order Star Destroyers in The Last Jedi.

Your post caused me to rethink and you are quite correct. The Raddus was obliterating TIE-fighters but was staying out of range of the capital ships.

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The absence of Leia and Chewie comforting each was a woeful mistake that does affect the film and Abrams himself said it should have happened. Far important than the McGuffin.

Yes, I know all the reasons why scenes get cut - pacing, etc. - but Poe was at that point had become a major character in the trilogy. Some scene showing the heroes meeting should have been done. As it stood TFA is not really affected because a person can assume they met off screen because of the Finn/BB-8 connection and being in the same room.

Yes, it fell to Johnson to "patch it" but it made more to film it as them having met already. Yes, it "rolled out" a different way but that doesn't change that it is odd.

Not awkward. Odd.

Again I said nothing about any of my criticisms being "critical". They were given "importance" by another poster. I really did not expect that comment of mine to lead to all this.

I was referring to the battle at Starkiller not the escape at the start of TLJ. It is being used to evacuate - no other explanation is required.

Obviously the Raddus does not feature in TFA because it is Johnson's creation. I was simply wondering at the in-universe explanation for not using it, but that was answered above.

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Yes but the Finn/BB-8 connection and being on screen together means it makes more sense to assume they had met.

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I do not know who Campea is but we don't need to be told that what happens on screen is the "canon". That is obvious.

Why does it "suck"? If you like the books and comics then that is cool. It does not matter if the films contradict something. The movies themselves contradict each other - Kenobi age, Artoo knowing Anakin and not telling Luke, the kiss in TESB, etc.

If the comic and book writers adhered perfectly to the movies or the movie writers followed all the comics nothing would get done. The big important points match.

 

I've been dragged seriously of topic and forgot the reason I even joined.

Any Irish or UK fans of TLJ here?

Lucasfilm and Disney have seriously mistreated us by releasing the music only version of the movie over here.

Has anyone reached out to get an explanation?

 

I'll be offline for a while but if any has any information regarding the iTunes Extras please PM me.

Laters

 

I rewatched TLJ on a whim last night and I realized how underrated the scene where Rey looks into the mirror on Ahch-To was. It was a creative way to reinforce the idea that Rey has no family left besides herself.

Also, the Battle of Crait just might be my favorite Star Wars ground battle now. Everything is just so perfect about that scene, save for the Rose/Finn smooch.

 

Dont know why the Rey Poe discussion in this makes me remember one of the things that has bothered me most over the years about ESB. Now dont get me wrong ESB is the 2nd best Star Wars movie ever made (2nd to TLJ), but I find the whole Han has to leave to go pay Jabba back ridiculous. Hey he was a hero for the Rebellion. The Rebellion certainly could have gotten the money sent to Jabba. Remember he got the money in ANH. So to me it is a huge plot hole, and it means nothing to how good ESB is.

 

They were hiding from the Empire, so any signal would lure the Empire to their doorstep.

 

I really don't think this can be a plot hole. I don't think it was really a question at all, because the Rebellion really has no onus to pay Han's debts. The rebellion itself is a small operation with limited funding. Not to mention, why would a fragile secret operation like the Rebellion want to get wrapped up with the Hutts? It could only lead to trouble, especially since the Hutts and associated bounty hunters would sell out the rebels to the Empire without a second thought. Not to mention what @Andrew Waples said above.

 

You saw Han and Chewie loading up the money at the end of ANH. Remember Leia even tells him if money is all he wants he will get it. "If money is all you love, then that's what you'll receive." so he had the money. He was leaving to go pay it back. He wasnt leaving to go hide. You would have thought that during the time period between ANH and ESB the Rebellion could have gotten the money to Jabba somehow without loosing one of their leaders.

 

That makes a bit more sense. I don't think I totally understood before.

But I would argue that Han isn't really a major Rebellion leader yet. He's not a general until RoTJ. At the beginning of ESB he isn't just leaving to pay a debt; he's leaving for good. I don't think Han yet intended to stay with the rebels forever. I think, for him, paying back Jabba would be the "end of the dream" so to speak, a return to his reality of smuggling.