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Threepio is a liar!

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Lazarus Dei, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. Lazarus Dei

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    Ok, so it’s been a quieter than usual day in Lazarus-land, so I may have had too long to think about things that don’t really need to be thought about, but bear with me…


    So, thanks to the PT we know that Anakin built 3PO.

    Conveniently, (since it was the equivalent of a High School ‘shop home-project) ol’ Goldenrod ended up looking just like other protocol droids, (only y’know… gold) like he was really a kit, assembled from parts coming with one of those weekly ‘Build Your Own…’ magazines or bought as a flat-pack from the Tatooine equivalent of Ikea.

    Anyway, one day he bumps into an astromech, a disguised Queen and couple of Jedi, resulting in him going off on various adventures round the galaxy and watching his master devolve from a talented little scamp into a stroppy young fella with anger issues.

    As a result, he gets whisked off with his little mate who talks like a 1990s modem on dial-up and has his memory wiped.

    Later, (while still curiously remembering the aforementioned R2 unit, despite said memory wipe) 3PO ends up working for the Rebel Alliance, visiting more far flung places like Dantooine, Yavin IV and likely witnessing the Battle of Scarif and being present on Tantive VI as Leia escapes with the Death Star plans – so all up he’s part of a Rebellion he later states there’s “Not much to tell” about…

    All this leads him back to Tatooine (which he has no memory of) via a pod crash and being immobilised by Jawas, before letting himself get sold to a backwater farmer. Just to complete his web of deception and lies, while pitching his own sale the goon i) claims to be fluent in over 6 million forms of communication… yeah? Where’d you learn that then tin-man, because I can’t imagine a 9yr old being able to programme that from nowhere; and ii) purports to having had a job “programming binary load lifters”… really? When in your chequered past did you get time to shoehorn that onto your resume? It doesn’t sound like a rebellion job, so if it was pre-rebel times how does he even remember that?

    So, in summary… is he a) a liar, b) has some kind of selective memory loss, c) defective or d) a high functioning manipulator and master of deception who will probably turn out to be Snoke?

    My brain hurts.
     
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    At one point, StarWars.com confirmed that C3PO does have the ability to temporarily override his ethics programming if it is for a good reason.

    But it's entirely possible he was telling the truth about having a job programming binary load filters. He obviously changes hands numerous times between ROTS and R1.

    Not only is it possible he really is fluent in 6 million forms of communication, I would actually say it is essentially proven to be true. He uses these abilities multiple times in the movies, such as communicating with ewoks or confirming that the Imperial Probe Droid's signal is not used by the Rebel Alliance. Maybe Anakin just mail-ordered a language unit (which is probably a pretty common part for protocol droids), or maybe this ability was added to C3PO later by someone else.
     
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    Agreed that C3PO is a liar, but he's not alone.

    Star Wars has established that good guys lie on a regular basis. Kenobi, Yoda, C3PO, Uncle Owen, Leia, all of them lied to Luke multiple times during the OT. Small lies, hiding the truth, deception, alternative facts from a certain point of view. All of them were forms of lies.
    I have counted 36 lies in total during the Original Trilogy.



    Perhaps after ROTJ (and before TFA) Luke found a way to recover the memory from these droids and realized he has been lied so much by the people he trusted the most. Adding one strong reason to abandon the resistance/good guys, and become a grey Jedi.
     
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    Although you make some good points, there are also some places in the video where you are seriously stretching it.

    While it's true that a "lie of omission" is a real thing, the video seems to assume that any time a character doesn't tell another character everything they know, this counts as a lie. Why would Obi-Wan even bring up younglings when Luke didn't ask? This is too much of a leap to call it a deliberate lie.

    And yes, Obi-Wan used the name "Obi-Wan" slightly after Luke was born. Do you really remember everything that happened 20 years ago, down to the hour? This could easily have been an honest mistake, which is not the same as a lie.

    With the Empire in power, practically any Jedi activity could easily be viewed by the public as an "idealistic crusade," and Obi-Wan did train Anakin as a Jedi. So it is not a lie to say that Anakin followed Obi-Wan on an idealistic crusade.

    Statements like "I'm getting too old for this" are essentially figures of speech and based in opinion rather than fact. Obi-Wan could honestly be feeling that way in that moment, even if that's not how Dooku or Palpatine felt. And Yoda is an entirely different species.

    StarWars.com already addressed "the Jedi Master who instructed me." Not only did Obi-Wan work with Yoda as a youngling, but Qui-Gon was never a Jedi Master. That means there is only one Jedi Master who instructed Obi-Wan, and it was Yoda. Although I would concede the phrasing is slightly misleading, there is nothing false in the statement "Yoda is the Jedi Master who instructed Obi-Wan."

    I'm sorry but I don't have time to watch through two more videos right now. I don't recall Leia lying multiple times - I'm not sure what you are referring to. And the only way Yoda lies to Luke is by acting "crazy" to test Luke, which Yoda had no choice but to do because he didn't want to risk training Darth Vader II. Although Yoda seems to be aware of Obi-Wan's lie about Luke's father, the only relevant statements Yoda actually makes in TESB are that Luke's father used to be a powerful Jedi, and Darth Vader was Obi-Wan's apprentice before turning to the Dark Side - both of which are true.
     
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