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maybe his academy was so far along that he wasnt needed on a daily basis and he took Ben with him because he was his first student as well as his best student at the time and maybe both were going to betray each other and Rey was still on Luke's radar and Luke thought that taking ben away would have saved his students but the KOR still attacked and Luke was betrayed within the 6 eyar time span.

 

Luke technically never had this so-called academy according to Pablo.

 

Here is a quote from Bloodline that muddies the waters a bit in terms of Luke's students. This is from Lady Carise's POV:

Skywalker had been so long away on his strange quest for the lore of the Jedi that he no longer had much influence outside his own acolytes. He was a figure of myth more than one of flesh and blood. (p. 203 in the hardcover, bold by me)
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I'm not sure what "acolytes" means here--students? admirers? those who still worship the Force? (Though almost certainly not the Acolytes of the Beyond.)

In Bloodline Leia does seem to think in terms of only Luke and Ben doing Jedi-type things, but she just might not pay that much heed to other students since she probably doesn't know them. But in light of Pablo's comments, whatever this new generation of Jedi was that Luke was training, it wasn't a formalized institution.

 

An Acolyte is just an assistant or follower in definition terms, but it seems Luke was intent on finding something that only involved him and Ben for some reason. Either that or they stumbled upon something that only they found and it caused Ben to turn. I guess, maybe Snoke was part of it by orchestrating it or in an attempt to kill him.

There is so little info about anything much. It's kinda odd really that we have nothing to go on. So little about Luke since ROTJ, little about Kylo, etc...

 

Not that odd, really--TPTB have to keep us wanting to see what TLJ will reveal... (Like we were ever not going to! )

But it does seem a little breadcrumb trail is being left for us about Force relics and "new to us"/ancient Force practices that might play into all this. And all that kind of leads back to...how/when exactly does Snoke, this mysterious Dark Side Force user (apparently) pull all this FO stuff together? Does Rey and her being on Jakku have anything at all to do with it?

 

I think it has alot to do with Jakku and maybe Rey, but not totally sure.

I have also wondered if Luke went outside the norm and organized this following with good intentions, or because his father was Vader he began to have followers so he taught them and they practically worshipped him because of being the last of his kind so to speak and his connections.

And was Lor San Tekka a follower or a teacher? There has to be a huge connection with Jakku or people wouldn't be so drawn there.

 

But it seems that in Bloodline only a handful of people (Han, Leia, Luke, and maybe Mon Mothma) knew that Luke was Vader's son, although the general public know he is Leia's brother. It's not until Leia's parentage is outed that they would figure that out. So any followers who came to Luke with the intention of being a disciple/padawan of Vader's son would have come...well, only in those crucial last six years before TFA, presumably after Ben turned. And most of us have been working on the assumption that this group of Luke's was destroyed by then, at roughly the same time as Ben turned, and was perhaps his "first" Dark Side act.

As for Jakku... According to Aftermath: Empire's End (and some other sources), Jakku had an ancient navigational laboratory, perhaps originally set up via ancient Sith associations? (It's not clear.) All kinds of Sithy things were set up during Palpatine's reign at these kinds of labs, including nasty things like Force draining. We just don't know what happened at the Jakku lab beyond what's in A:EE.

But seeing as how the Coruscant Jedi Temple was set up over an ancient Sith temple, it wouldn't surprise me that Lor San Tekka's Church of the Force settlement was established on Jakku for similar Force-type reasons. Whether LST was a leader of it or simply a Jedi fanboy (maybe even a former Luke-follower?), he was obviously a person of importance to Leia (her "old ally") and Kylo Ren, since he is the one KR confronts.

There's more to Jakku than we know yet...

 

Thank you. I'm working under the assumption that the Dark Side source calling Palpatine was 1. real and 2. Snoke, but...it's an interesting idea in your OP that Snoke is actually just the spokesperson for it.

 

It would seem very interesting if:

Luke was accidentally responsible for turning the acolytes of the beyond (his jedi students but not the new jedi order) into the knights of ren so he and ben left when they started feeling the pull of snoke towards the dark once again taking the balance away from the force so Luke took Ben and they left to find the force origins and the first jedi temple but Snoke then siced the acolytes onto Ben and Luke and Luke was over-powered and defeated, nearly being killed, and Ben was taken to Snoke's lair to be tortured and brainwashed and whatnot and that turned him into Kylo Ren 10-6 years before TFA so that the whole acolytes thing happening about 13-15 years before TFA...btw when i say "acolytes of the beyond" there might be multiple orders of them similar to multiple orders of force users now.

 

I don't know why any Acolytes of the Beyond would want to have Jedi training in the first place though. They worship Dark Side relicts/users, and they would have no idea Luke or Ben had any relation to Vader before 6 years before TFA. (Unless I'm missing something in your post...?)

 

Wasn't the Acolytes of the Beyond started by Brendol Hux or was it Rax?

 

I don't think it's stated anywhere for sure (unless it's in the first Aftermath book?), but I don't think it had anything to do with Brendol Hux. I personally don't think Rax started it either. It's a Force cult, and neither of those two are interested/believers in the Force. We do know Tashu was one of its leaders, so perhaps he started it?

 

Well first of all thanx @DarthLuketheWise this thread was needed

But I think we should mention some other few things we know for sure about post-ROTJ Luke.

A- 3 Months after Endor he is with Shara Bey on a mission to retrieve the force trees.
B- 1 year after Endor - at the time of Ben Solo's Birth - he's already been away, travelling, for lots of the time .
So much so, he probably wasn't present when Ben was born or that he came only to pay a short visit.
C- At some point (we don't know when) he goes to Farnay to whom he have swored (at some point between ANH and ESB) he would become a Jedi and rebuild the Order.

Given all this and what you all are saying, I guess Luke was travelling around the Galaxy from day one after Endor.
The first question is why?
Does he know something? And if so, what? And who or what told him that something?
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A little bit of speculation

There's a line in Shattared Empire I find interesting.
Before givin Shara Bey one of the tree he says "One of course is spoken for".
The most common assumption is that he kept for himself the first tree.
Since the writers have made a comparison between the force trees and the holocros, while explaining how the concept
of the force tree came out, it is possible that Luke learn something from the tree itself.

But maybe not. Maybe in fact he gifted the first tree to someone else too ("is spoken for") and maybe to same person that told him about the tree...

In fact, again, who told Luke - in the first place - about the force tree and the Vetine base?
An holocron? The force ghosts? Maybe.
Or someone else?
Lor San Tekka? Maybe.
Farnay? Why not if Luke went to her just after Endor and not much time later ...

I've posted this (see imagine) on Reddit, but that was about a possible connection between Anakinn/Luke's lightsaber, Farnay and other chararcters (including Rey's parents or whomever left her). Of course there could be other connections or none of them

Any thoughts?
Better ideas?

 

I think that is plausible because of some of the things heard before TFA came out.

As for Luke he was there when Ben was born for a short period. I think it is mentioned in Bloodlines.

 

If I remember correctly, in Empire's Ends it is stated that Ben was born 1 year after the battle of Endor.
Same for the Battle of Jakku: 1 year after Endor.