SPECULATION TLJ Twist, Luke's Jedi Academy.

Some really good points, especially in regards to Han's quote. I had never really even thought about what he said like that, but it makes perfectly good sense.

 

That was a great post @Dr. Kenobi , very original!

I only want to address your final question, about whether the twist will be about Rey's lineage in particular: the short answer is no, I don't think it will be, nor can it be, simply because RJ and Ridley herself have gone so far as to inform us that Rey's lineage will be revealed in the film. Why do that if you then plan to use this as the twist?

In fact, I think it's to take our attention away from whatever the actual twists are that will be aimed at us, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we find out about Rey's parents before the midway point of the film. I genuinely think this will be RJ's way to ease people into the film, and to make them think the film's going to be very obvious from then on: "Oh, what, that was supposed to be the big reveal? Rey's a Skywalker/Random?" (Sorry, but I seriously think that these are the only two real options at the moment, and I defy 'Random' as out of the blue - if she's linked to someone else who's not a main character in canon, I think that still rings true.)

And then we get into the real meat of it. Some big twist comes about halfway through the film, likely to do with what actually happened with Ben and Luke at the Academy, and suddenly everything can be questioned: What if Finn turning against the FO wasn't so accidental? Could Rose be up to something? Like you ask, what really did go down at Luke's Academy for him to think that going into hiding was the solution? Was it really by the will of the Force that Rey got involved, or by the will of Luke/Snoke? Etc.

Oh, and I think it's worth mentioning that if Han was indeed referring to his son when explaining what happened to Finn and Rey aboard the Falcon, it would make sense for him to not know that he'd adopted the title of Kylo Ren, at least from what other canon material implies, hence why he doesn't refer to him as such (though, then again...he did somehow know that that was him on Takodana taking Rey away, so perhaps they had confronted one another before then - him confirming his adopted title must have not come up aha)

 

Han didn't want to tell them that his son was the galactic warlord Kylo Ren. It's pretty simple.

Princess Leia Royal Rebel: “Ben Solo was seduced by the dark side, and by the First Order – a military movement that opposed the New Republic and the Jedi. Leia’s son killed all the apprentices Luke had been training and left his uncle’s Jedi Temple in flames. Like his grandfather, he took a new name after turning to the dark side – Kylo Ren. Luke abandoned his quest to rebuild the Jedi Order and vanished.”

The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary - Kylo Ren entry: “Kylo Ren betrayed the other Jedi students studying with Master Luke Skywalker, and is responsible for their destruction. He has well earned the nickname ‘Jedi Killer,’ whispered in the First Order ranks, as it was his deadly lightsaber skills that prevented the return of the Jedi Order.”

StarWars.com - Kylo Ren entry: "A dark side warrior with a mysterious past, Kylo Ren was neither Jedi nor Sith, but a product of both sides’ teachings. Once an apprentice of Luke Skywalker’s, he killed his fellow students and drove Skywalker into exile, becoming a First Order warlord and servant of Supreme Leader Snoke. Kylo was determined to destroy the last remnants of the Jedi, fulfilling the legacy of Darth Vader."

https://swinfoground.wordpress.com/...rtaining-to-the-star-wars-sequel-trilogy-era/

 

The twist is going to be between why Luke really went into exile and why Kylo turned. Somewhere in that lies the truth of something we may not want to know but need to know.

 

I agree that this will be the case, and it does make me wonder about what we could see for it to be considered a huge twist; for instance, perhaps Luke, for some reason, decided to give up on the idea of the Jedi Order and destroyed the Temple himself. Upon learning about this, Ben went AWOL and finally decided to start his own boyband with Snoke as manager, and so the Knights of Ren went on to lay waste to the students of the Academy.

Not what I think actually happened, mind, but I think it's something head-spinning like that which would be the only way to pull off what we, as SW fans in particular, could consider a huge twist.

 

I’ve been saying essentially this for months. I finally wrote down my theory on Reddit recently, and wish I had done it sooner. The parallelism between Han’s expository scene in TFA and Obi-Wan’s in ANH is so breathtakingly clear to me that I’m amazed more haven’t noticed it by now.

My theory is only one interpretation of what could happen, but if anyone wants to take a look:

 

My thoughts exactly. Part of it is Luke's feelings of guilt, but there's something very interesting we're about to learn about Luke.

 

I think Luke DOES feel guilty, but the reason WHY is not yet fully revealed.

 

I agree. But I also think he's afraid, but not being a coward...

There's something big that's going to be revealed....and I hope tonight has something hinting at it rather than a lot of Rey training.

 

Yeah i think

 

I think this is one of the most likely theories. That incident is the one part of the new trilogy that has no real truth to it, yet has been referenced on a number of occasions. I think its also the main catalyst for the entire story. I'm very interested to find out what really happened as I think it has massive repercussions.

Theres also 2 other lines/bits of info Re his backstory I'd like explained.

In TFA Han says to Leia 'it was snoke, it was always snoke' this implies that snoke manipulated him from close by. As if they knew of him and his influence but couldn't do anything to stop him. Its almost like he resents him for some sort of betrayal. Similar in a way that sidious corrupted Anakin. Maybe snoke had a different identity in the past. (Not someone we yet know of ie plagueis or god forbid Jar Jar)

The other is where did kylos obsession with Vader come from. I doubt Vader was someone his parents sat around and talked about at dinner. Or that little Kylo went with cool unky Luke once a year to lay flowers at his grave and wax lyrical on what a hero his grandfather had been. Where'd the obsession/Hero worship come from?

Kylo Ren as much as he comes across as a bit of a whiny emo b*tch with severe daddy issues is undoubtedly the most fascinating new character to be introduced. And I think his back story is far more important/relevent than little 'Mary Sue' Rey's. But that's just my opinion don't flame me for it lol.

 

in case you didn't already know, Ben Solo didn't know Vader was his grandfather until he was 22/23 years old. his family hid the truth from him. worse still, he likely found out when the information went public in a scandal that cost Leia her Senatorial credibility. (all of this happens in Bloodline).

while we don't know why Ren Ben developed an obsession with Vader, it's fair to conjecture that the combination of this forbidden knowledge and his own confusion about his place in the galaxy fueled it--alongside Snokie-poke poking in his head, no doubt.

 

Well that explains things a little bit, cheers. I haven't read much of the canon EU stuff I just study the films and some of the animated series. Thanks for the info.