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SPECULATION Trained or not, Leia should not end this trilogy without massive display of the Force

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Xeven, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Boushhdisguise

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    Of course, we all know that George didn't necessarily set out to make Luke and Leia Darth Vader's children, or maybe that was just a possibility, but remember that Rey resisted Kylo Ren in TFA. Leia did that to Darth Vader and his machines and whatever he did with the Force to her and she resisted. Did he suspect anything then? Was this something that happened often? I doubt it did.. It could be very well she is indeed powerful, but just was never trained fully. I know new canon tries to bring in things like her killing Jabba (there is a passage in that where she tells herself how impossible that sounds, and it implies darkside use.) In Empire Strikes Back and ANH there's the whole thing with feeling Luke's presence that is quite obvious. I always imagine if it were her that ended up with Vader and Palps at the end, there would be no wanting to save Vader. She wouldn't hesitate to kill him. Much anger. I wonder if Yoda would have trained her.
     
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    Not to get too off-topic, but what I'm saying is this idea while being present was never thought to be confirmed by many people. I'm saying that the idea was confirmed years ago, even the official Star Wars Encyclopedia, the precursor to the Databank stated that Plagueis was Sidious' master. Pablo Hidalgo mentions material all the time that the average person hasn't been outright told or whatever.
    Are you saying Leia, and possibly Luke influenced the midichlorians to kill their mum? ;)
     
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    That's not how the midichlorians work! :p
     
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    She kinda used the force when she sensed Han's death in TFA...
     
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    Off topic. Plagueis is canon. He was mentioned in ROTS as well as in Tarkin. Both are canon material.

    On topic. I'd like to see Leia use the force differently then We have already seen from her. I just don't want it to be over the top.
     
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    My one disappointment with TFA is Leia still being a politican and not some form of Jedi. There would have been nothing cooler then Rey pulling up to the island at the end of the movie and Luke AND Leia both remove their hoods and you have that reveal that sets the stage for Episode 8!
     
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    Leia is gifted in Force sense. She was able to feel Darth Maul on Naboo, sense Luke in peril, and sense Han's death. She also received visions of her mother as an infant. That is why she remembers her mother in RotJ. In addition, she "always" had a feeling Luke was her brother. In Bloodline it states she crushed Jabba's neck in RotJ through the Dark Side. Will we see her use any Force powers in the sequel trilogy? Possibly. But I believe most of her abilities have been unseen or passive in use. There is no doubt if she trained as a Jedi, she would be one of the strongest Jedi of all time.
     
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    HUGE Leia fan and I would absolutely love to see her use the Force in some way. Leia is a very strong character and an even tougher woman. Fully trained in the Force I think she would be unstoppable. But yer, even if she just opened a door or took her shoes off using the Force I'd be happy
     
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    She has had more pain than any. Dark side should she be.
     
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    Oh, I don't know, he looked pretty slick taking out Dooku...not to mention that every other force user in canon referred to him as exceedingly powerful.

    On topic: I think Leia has a mental block because of her fear and revulsion of her father. How's this for a twist? We have all been talking about how the story group is constantly pushing our understanding of the Force. When Leia finally, really, truly, opens herself up to the Force it will be an act of pure Love (Better watch out Ben, Momma's gonna rock your world) that will show that Love is the most powerful expression and that physical manifestations of the Force are just noise in the big picture.

    We know that the concepts of the Force are heavily influenced by Eastern mythology. I had a prof in college that had spent over 5 years in Buddhist monastaries before settling into a life of academia. I was chatting with him one day and the topic of "powers" and "manifestations" such as levitation, bilocation, astral projection, etc. came up and I asked him what he thought given that he lived the path and didn't simply study it.

    What he said still sticks with me (this guy was anything but flaky). What he said was, in a rather offhanded way, that those things were merely distractions and if you focused on them it would only hinder your development. "Powers" were absolutely real to him and not in some abstract sense. The point of following the path was unification with the source and recognition that LOVE is all that really exists behind the illusion of reality.

    It has certainly been a theme all throughout the stories. Anakin's love for Padme, Luke's love for his friends and father, and now Leia and Han's love for their child.
     
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    Anakin and Vader are two different persons for me.
     
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    That's a different way of looking at it, and I suppose is in line with statements made by both Vader and Obi Wan in the OT, but it seems to me as if that was reconciled in ROTJ.
     
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    It's exactly in line with statements made, as well as look. The Vader persona took over during his dark side time. His true self, Anakin, returned while saving Luke.

    As far as Leia goes, It would be completely 100% out of her character to show a massive display of force powers. Would alter her character fully and make no sense. I'm perfectly fine with her displaying some force powers, but Luke is the warrior of the two, not her.
     
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    I respect your opinions, but I have to disagree. Anakin and Darth Vader are one and the same. The whole point of Star Wars, for me, was to illustrate that we are all inherently flawed and are capable of horrible things if we are not accountable to what is right. There is a bit of darkness in the best of us and there is a bit of light in the worst of us. Yin and yang.

    Anakin was flawed, and manipulated, but he ultimately made his own choices to become what he was. In some respects, I think viewing his character as two separate and distinct personalities tends to excuse his behavior and makes him less accountable. It just lets Anakin off the hook too much for me.
    While I agree that it would be out of character for Leia to show a massive display of Force powers, I disagree with your last statement. Luke learned not to be a warrior, the downfall of the PT Jedi. Leia has always been the warrior, the military type, albeit without a "warrior's" use of the Force.
     
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    Anakin Skywalker was weak, I destroyed him. ( Darth Vader ).
     
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    Spoken like a truly immature, emo-wannabe-Darth Vader, who doesn't understand basic psychology, let alone his own psychosis. :p
     
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    Darth Vader: The Emperor has been expecting you.

    Luke: I know... father.

    Darth Vader: So, you have accepted the truth?

    Luke: I have accepted that you were once a Jedi named Anakin Skywalker, my father.

    Darth Vader: [angrily] That name no longer has any meaning for me!

    Luke: Search your feelings, Father, you can't do this. I feel the conflict within you. Let go of your hate.

    Darth Vader: It is too late for me, son. The Emperor will show you the true nature of the Force. He is your master now.

    Luke: Then my father is truly dead.


    --On Endor, Luke played with Vader's emotions to revive Anakin Skywalker. And in the process, proved that Kenobi and Yoda were both wrong about him. Anakin wasn't gone and he wasn't so twisted that love couldn't save him.

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    As for Leia and the force, I'd like to see her use it to choke Kylo Ren, like Darth Vader would.
    Luke or Rey can talk her out of finishing him, but that is what I want to see.
     
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    In my overly long post and sidebar into Buddhism above, I was picturing Leia fully opening herself up to the Force and using it to spiritually cleanse Ben.

    It would make for a very interesting fourth trilogy where a redeemed Ben was the reluctant hero with a dark past that he (and everyone else) feared.
     
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    Agree 100%. I think it would work well if it was sorta accidental/unintended. Like something is about to hit her or something, and in reflex, she force-blocks it.
     
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    A glass of the finest Alderaanian wine for this one.

    Methinks the word "Jedi" is missing before "warrior". She's been always a fighter. Maybe the Force implicitly has been there with her unbeknowst to her, but she is a true warrior.

    True.
     
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