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Trilogy not planned?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by cassidy, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. cawatrooper

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    Right, I'd hardly say this is absolute proof of anything regarding planning. But more that it's definitely not proof of poor planning, since Carrie's tragic death was surely not something that should have been accounted for years ago.
     
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    This issue concerns me quite a bit. We are past the point where we can chalk it up to honest creative differences, which certainly pop up from time to time. With so many different directors being hired, and subsequently fired, it leads to the inescapable conclusion that it isn't the directors who are to blame.
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    While Carrie's death could not have been planned for, we have not yet seen any creative decisions influenced by her death (it has been stated time and again that E8 was not edited in any way). So while Carrie's death will impact E9, it cannot be used as an excuse for how disjointed the ST is thus far.
     
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    Sure.

    So let's see how they handle this in EpIX.
     
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    I think it is safe to say the collective fandom will give them a pass in E9, given the real-world events which took place.
     
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    I've heard this argument many times before. @Boss Vos @DailyPlunge

    What you should do is pick and agree on a number for EPIX. Over suggested box office means there is no fan backlash, under means there is. You can even have a middle range that is a tie... too hard to call. That would at least make this argument interesting :D
     
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    Why an an arbitrarily decided on number be indicative of anything? :p
     
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    I thought it was worth a try. I think it would have been a very much followed bet on here lol.
     
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    i think they will defiantly get understanding when it comes to how they handle Leia, because as has been shown through all the discussions on other threads, their simply isn't a good way to handle that situation. So as long what they do decide to do with Leia isn't a complete car crash they will and should get a bit of a pass with this aspect of the story.
     
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    An update on this from the recent CNN interview:

    CNN: So what was it like to have Disney, this famously tightly run studio, just give you the reins to the biggest brand in movie history?

    Rian Johnson: Yeah, it was scary in exactly the way you would think it would be scary because my producer Ram [Bergman] and I came into it, and we're very used to working within the indie film world and having total control. But the truth is, Disney and Lucasfilm, I mean they were good collaborators, but they really let us do our thing.



    This absolutely blows my mind... They basically just threw him the keys. Why!? Such a wasted opportunity to do something incredible.
     
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    This is consistent with what's been posted here over and over. RJ had control over the story, but there's a rough outline. This is why Rian Johnson calls them "good collaborators." There's nothing in this CNN story that's new.
     
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    He said, "They really let us do our own thing."

    This is the first time I've seen it blatantly stated that way by Rian himself. It doesn't appear to have been made public how much of a rough outline there was or wasn't.
     
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    We've heard variations on that for a while now.

    I think that phrase is pretty vague, to be honest.

    Like @DailyPlunge pointed out, this could easily mean that while RJ had to stay confined to certain big plot points, he was able to bring in various things with pretty free reign- for instance, maybe the porgs, or perhaps designing the planet of Crait.

    As has often been said here, I don't think this really implies that the trilogy hasn't at least been outlined. Just that RJ had pretty creative freedom when making the film. Sort of the counter argument that you see when people complain that directors in series like the DCEU or MCU have little creative freedom. Heck, you can even easily find people on these very forums complaining that the reason Lord and Miller left the Solo project was because Disney was micromanaging them too much.

    I mean, if we're gonna have conspiracy theories, they at least have to be consistent, right? :p
     
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    It's getting tiresome explaining basic concepts over and over and only getting negative ratings from irrational people. On the flip side it makes it easier to identify who wants to be reasonable and who just want to complain.
     
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    What we have here is Rian Johnson saying that even though Disney and Lucasfilm were good collaborators, they let them do their thing.

    However, there hasn't been a team of people speaking out about how they collaborated on the story with Rian Johnson.

    Does the possibility of one man being allowed to make such major decisions for a franchise not disturb you?
     
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    Sure.

    Refer to my last post on why I don't feel like that's the case here, though.
     
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    Wait...I thought we were supposed to be worried about group think deciding these movies?
     
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    Best case scenario (IMO) would've been a carefully selected team that consisted of dedicated Star Wars fans, film makers, and writers that would have collaborated for years to formulate a well thought out trilogy before pulling the trigger on anything.
     
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    That's good, because that's pretty much exactly what it happening.
     
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    How is this even up for debate? All you have to do is consider what Rian has repeatedly said, what Daisy said, and watch the movies.

    And, just set back and think how relatively fast 8 and 9 were made.

    This thing was not planned. At all.

    It was also rushed. TFA specifically.

    You might still like the results, but that doesn’t change reality.

    Admitting that the ST wasn’t thought out, was rushed, etc- doesn’t make you a bad Star Wars fan.
     
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    So not a single outline exists for the trilogy, in your mind?
     
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