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TROS Excitement Read

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Deac421, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. techsteveo

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    For millions of fans, Star Wars is about the Skywalkers. There's literally only ONE film that didn't have a Skywalker in it. Rogue One was a tie-in and featured Vader heavily and had Leia at the end. It was the ultimate prequel to the most influential film in history. The only film to not include a Skywalker or a story connected with the Skywalkers is Solo, and it bombed at the box office.

    I believe Disney is marketing the end of the Skywalker Saga to build hype. They reserve the rights to change course. If their new films without any connective tissue to the Skywalker Saga don't do well, get ready for X, XI, and XII of the new Skywalker Saga.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 24, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 24, 2019 ---
    Sorry guys, I'm having some "glitch" issues with my posts. Problem is being worked on, I think.
    Anyhow, was going to say 2 things:

    Luke said, "no one is ever REALLY gone."

    and

    All endings are also beginings. I think it's healthy to move forward with new stories and generations. Yoda told Luke in TLJ that was one of the hardest lessons for all masters, the young ones must grow beyond them. It's hard to let go, but it is a natural part of life/the force.

     
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    But it didn't bomb because there weren't any Skywalkers. No, it failed because of the bad marketing and the reputations of TLJ. Han Solo is the most beloved SW character ever and he isn't a Skywalker. In the ST the most beloved character is Rey, again not a Skywalker (personally Kylo Ren is my most favorite character in the ST).

    Star Wars neither needs Skywalkers nor Jedi to be successful. What it truly needs is a good and exciting story with interesting characters.
     
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    Maybe for you and die hard fans. The General Public, which is what pays 90% of the ticket sales, want Jedi, Lightsabers, and Skywalkers. Taking the Force or Jedi out of SW is like taking the super powers out of Marvel heroes.

    You originally said Disney was going to release Solo as the first Disney SW film. Do you really think it would have been successful? Sorry, I don't. The General audience did not want a Solo origin film, especially without Harrison Ford.
     
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    I am super excited for TROS especially after the glory of TLJ which I now after many repeat viewings consider the greatest Star Wars film of all time. The teaser trailer as much as I loved it showed so little of the film and I simply cant wait to see the next little nugget.

    As for Solo no one will convince me otherwise. it was the marketing and scheduling that failed. Iger made a bad call not pushing it back to December release. Have said it many times with Solo a little over 1 year away we had Star Wars Celebration in Orlando. Solo had no presence, none at all. LucasFilm knew that the production wasnt going well with L&M and they chose to not show anything. Then shortly after they announce that L&M were dismissed and then shortly after they announce ROn Howard was taking over. From that point until title poster,which was just text, was released in fall 2017 the only marketing was Ron Howard's Instagram. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Then 1st trailer s released not during the Super Bowl but day after. Yes a short teaser was shown during Super Bowl. So marketing really didnt start until about 3 months before release at the same time Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War and Deadpool were all already being marketed heavily. Solo should have been pushed off to December and marketing done all 2018.
     
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    The box office for Solo wasn't bad. The production costs were excessive because Ron Howard had to come in and reshoot the entire movie because two people didn't follow orders. I applaud Lucasfilm for caring enough to spare no expense to get it done right. A lot of other studios would have just released what they had and moved on to their next project.

    Solo isn't perfect, I don't think Alden Ehrenreich was right for the part, but I still enjoyed the movie very much. I've rewatched it several times and find it a very entertaining addition to the Star Wars canon. I'd be up for a sequel with Alden, and hopefully Enfys Nest shows up in Star Wars again somewhere.

    Even if you didn't like it, I don't think you should let it affect your anticipation for The Rise of Skywalker anymore than the Holiday Special affects The Empire Strikes Back.
     
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    I am not excited for it all all. I keep forgetting it is even coming out to be honest. I am pumped for the Mandalorian though.
     
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    Kind agree with this. Would the general public line up for an avengers movie about the origins of a SHIELD absent superheroes?

    I never thought of it that way and it makes a lot of sense to me since my fandom of avengers is much more casual. I enjoy the avengers movies but probably wouldn’t go see a shield focused film.
     
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    As others have pointed out, this will be the 3rd time people go to the theater thinking they are seeing the final installment of the Skywalker Saga. Just because they announced TRoS as "the conclusion and finale of the Skywalker saga" doesn't mean they can't change their minds in the future. It won't even be the same people making the decisions and I guarantee you that the future decision makers won't even remotely feel beholden to anything anyone says here and now.

    We have a timetable for B&W's trilogy, and it is currently 7 years from its announced completion. After that, virtually anything is possible. Heck, I wouldn't even consider the announced timetable as completely etched in stone (especially for the announced Avatar movies but that's another story). We don't know who will be making the decisions at Disney/LFL, let alone which direction they will want to go. Some CEO may say "you know, the main episodic SW saga made the most money, so let's invite everyone from the ST back and base a continuation story around whoever signs on."
    It was bad from the context of the fact that it is a Star Wars movie. It was bad at the box office and bad with merchandising. Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie but fear we will never get an on-screen conclusion to the Crimson Dawn (Lord Maul) storyline. It speaks volumes that they set up a sequel but won't be giving one.
     
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    Exactly. What I think they should be doing is making a Trilogy set in ancient Jedi times. Perhaps even back to The First Knights (cough, there’s your title, cough). I’d love a Jedi lore Trilogy based on the discovery of the Force and how the early teachings shaped the galaxy and Jedi Order. Lightsabers and Force powers galore!

    The other trilogy that should be made should be based on Rey, Finn and the continued fight with whoever is leading the First Order. There’s no way the Resistance should be able to fully topple the First Order in TROS, especially after the Resistance being just a handful of people on the Falcon. Maybe we can finally get Finn to seek his family he never knew and be the bad ass he could be.
     
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    It would be really cool for an Old Republic trilogy to start out like The Fellowship of the Ring where the intro is a summation of the legendary past and formation of the Jedi told campfire style.

    "Thousands of years ago, before the discovery of hyperspace opened up the galaxy to exploration, a youngling sat under a tree, gazing at a crystal. The tree and the crystal spoke..."
     
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    I’m mega excited dude ;);) ..
     
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    Ohh! Good idea!!! Tie in some interaction with Ezra and Kanan and some of Mails search for ObiWan? An Easter egg dream!!
     
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    D23 is around the corner we should be getting something as well an EW issue for TROS cant wait
     
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    My excitement level isn't nearly as high as it was pre-TLJ (and that has nothing to do with the film, I've stated many times that I absolutely love it). There's multiple reasons, the big one being that I just don't like talking about Star Wars as much as I used to. I don't really have anyone in my life who's a big Star Wars fan. I do have a friend who enjoys Star Wars, we went to see TFA together and coming out of it he said, "I'm confused, isn't Finn supposed to be a Clone? That's not what the Clones look like" so... yeah. That friend didn't like TLJ by the way.

    And while this place isn't the warzone it once was, it's still very difficult to escape the negativity online. Not just about the film but the entire brand. It's worn me out.

    I think, I hope that'll change in the next couple of months as the rollout really begins.
     
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    I didn't like TFA or TLJ, but I am still excited. I mean, it's Star Wars! :)
     
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    I am super-excited for The Rise of Skywalker. Tinged with just a sprinkling of nervousness.

    I’d be lying if I didn’t say that when 2019 started, I fully expected it to be my favourite film of the year, which has been true of every other year I can remember there has been a new Star Wars live-action film. Alita: Battle Angel is the only thing I’ve seen so far this year that makes me wonder if that will still be the case, and I’ve enjoyed a lot of films.

    As someone who is feels very fortunate to happen to love all the major Star Wars films so far (all three trilogies plus Rogue One and Solo - and I’ll happily throw in The Clone Wars and Rebels too) I’m naturally going to be very excited that I’m going to see another film in my favourite series of films.

    But...

    There is that small, nagging doubt that this could be the one where ‘it’ happens. Where I am finally subject to kind of disappointment I’ve witnessed over the years for other people, whether it was The Phantom Menace or The Last Jedi, to name the most notable examples, or any of the other films really. I don’t hate (we know what that leads to...) anyone for being unlucky enough to be disappointed by any of the films. I might disagree, but that’s ok. More than any other emotion towards those fans who think ‘Star Wars Episode: *whatever*’ sucks, I just feel genuinely sorry for them. I don’t want to be in that group of disappointed fans. I don’t think many of them (if any) ‘chose’ to be disappointed. The way some respond to that disappointment is perhaps not so ok IMHO, but I think the opinions are heart-felt and genuine, and I’m always acutely aware ‘there but for the grace of God go I...’ as it were - it could be me if I don’t like the next film...

    I also think part of my trepidation is the fact it’s not just another Star Wars film. It’s not even just the end of this trilogy. It’s not even the end of a six-film saga largely overseen by the original creator of the universe and so is kind of whatever he wanted to be and I’d be at least somewhat fine with it... . This is being billed as the actual end of a nine-film saga that to me feels pretty final, at least for now. A trilogy of trilogies. And they’ve said this will tie it all together.

    I like most of what I’ve heard about it so far. I do have confidence in JJ and everyone else involved. I especially have confidence in KK after what I consider her excellent stewardship of the GFFA thus far (not being afraid to intervene when deemed necessary, even when it would have been easy to sit back and not spend extra time and money to make things right, from her point of view - whatever anyone personally feels about the new films).

    But it’s all that good work that makes me a little nervous, if you see what I mean. For them to blow it now, for someone who doesn’t feel like they have ever dropped the ball in any major terms of the Episodic films and more, that would be truly crushing.

    Still, despite all that I am excited, and I think the odds are very good I will at least like it. And I really hope that as many people as possible love it.

    *must remain positive, must remain positive*

    And thank you if you bothered reading all of that extremely verbose waffle. :D
     
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    I'd never let the trolling of a very vocal minority even remotely touch my love for Star Wars. This is a great time to be a Star Wars fan. We have the first live-action series (The Mandalorian) coming in a few months that's already been renewed for a second season and will be joined by another live-action series next year (Cassian Andor series). The animated series Resistance will be coming back for a second season and soon we'll get season 7 of The Clone Wars. The novels Bloodline and Alphabet Squadron are excellent in my opinion. I still have lots of reading to catch up on. We have two Star Wars theme parks with an immersive resort coming soon. There's the new Fallen Order and Lego video games to look forward to. We are just months away from The Rise of Skywalker and the real hype hasn't even begun yet. Triple Force Friday will be here before you know it!

    If you go to a con you can clearly see the Star Wars fandom is alive and well from children to adults. Look how quickly Celebration Chicago sold out and all the excitement over the teaser and title reveal. Just a few pics in Vanity Fair got people talking. They theorized about the new Sith Troopers and are clearly hungry for more information.

    There isn't a subject out there anymore that doesn't have someone making negative comments on, so it only stands to reason something popular as Star Wars is bound to have some too. I wouldn't let trolls and click-baiters factor into your evaluation in the least. I don't know the state of this forum previously. All I can say is I've found it to be a great place for Star Wars fans right now, and that's all that really matters.

    I love Star Wars during the holiday season, I just absolutely love it. I'm going to swim around in all this Star Wars goodness like Scrooge McDuck diving into his money bin. I say again, it's a great time to be a Star Wars fan.
     
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    A new GFFA movie every other xmas would be fine with me.
     
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    I'd be up for a new Star Wars Holiday Special.
     
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