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TROS Tomatometer

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, Dec 17, 2019.

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    "Critical" scores are meaningless BS, as are the sites like Rotten Tomatoes that "curate" them.
     
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    How is this "trolling"? SW fans are wild.
     
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    Yeah, I thought your post was really fair. Weird.

    Anyway, I don’t particularly care about the critics think. I’m seeing it three times (Thursday, Saturday, and Monday) so I’ll wait to formulate a complete opinion. If this movie’s bad, I’ll be bummed but it won’t be the end of the world for me. If it’s good, then I’m good. :D
     
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    Critical scores mean nothing to me and to most people, unless we are trying to use them to make a point. Then suddenly we care. LOL

    However, I wonder what Iger and company think of these developments. Of course we won't ever know, but it would be fun to be a fly on the wall at Disney today.
     
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    I agree about their interpretation at the end which was obviously conjecture. I don't see any issue with their sample method. 3400 people who can name all 8 films that's controlled is a pretty representative sample. It's also mirrors every other controlled sample. At this stage the only people doubting these surveys are people who just don't want to believe them.

    It does seem to me that many of the critics complaining about fan service and predictable plots must have closed their eyes when they watched Endgame. Endgame basically wipes out Infinity War and is pretty predictable. It had over a 91% score. I do think that the toxic nature of the TLJ backlash has poisoned the well. Critics and audiences like TLJ, but the critics took a beating from the hate brigade. So they were in a position to hate on this film.

    We'll know more about what fans think of the film Friday/Saturday when the audience scores are released. This might be another Lion King. A film critics hated, but audiences loved.
     
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    That's exactly what every 'reaction' felt like (note the increasing use of the word 'reaction' rather than 'review').

    There's less 'criticism' - meaning 'analysis' - than there is just commentary in the context of the negativity of the fanbase. Most of the 'reactions' are in full context of who is going to hate and love it, which is a silly conjecture and really isn't anything to go off of prior to watching the movie ourselves. The 'commentators' have to maintain their brands, of course, so being diplomatic and making generalizations is the practice. It's kind of boring, TBH.
     
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    BVS Gang Rise Up!

    TRON: Legacy and Man of Steel Gang Rise Up!!

    I actually looked through some of the first reactions of both this and Endgame this morning to get a good idea of how I should be approaching the movie.

    Molly Freeman of Screen Rant, Alonso Duralde from The Wrap, and Perri Nemiroff from Collider were the easiest to find.

    Molly acknowledged that aspects in Endgame won't work for everyone, but "for the most part the movie actually, truly offers a satisfying ending to the Infinity Saga." On TROS, she notes that the movie contains "nothing that has teeth, nothing that challenges viewers or subverts expectations. And, to be sure, that will please some fans just as it will irritate others."

    Alonso calls Endgame a "popcorn epic, of the extra salt-and-butter variety," consumed with nothing more "on its mind but crossing the Ts and dotting the Is of a far-flung superhero saga," and compares the satisfaction to shooting whipped cream from the can to one's mouth. "And that's not a bad thing..." On TROS, he assures fans that this movie is at least above the PT, yet is still "a sterling, shiny example of what Martin Scorsese would call 'not cinema'" and that the movie "feels momentarily satisfying but ultimately unfulfilling."

    Perri mentions that "Endgame is A LOT. Too much at times. But wow the payoff is huge." It also left her proud "to have invested over a decade in a franchise that delivers an inspiring exploration of what it means to be family & a hero." For Perri TROS "has a bumpy start but when finds its footing and when it does, it flies - the third act."
    But her review with Emma Fyffe later on was not as glowing...

    To your point, you may be right. I haven't seen TROS, so I can't speak for it. But I know that fanservice in Endgame had plot relevance. If TROS' fanservice does also, I won't have a problem with it. THAT BEING SAID, I usually don't have a problem with fanservice regardless.
     
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    The results may or may not be reliable and/or valid. I am not aware of any other surveys of this kind being done so I cannot speak to the other surveys that you claim exist. It is the interpretation of the results of this particular survey I find problematic and toxic.

    Interesting iteration of the "it is all the TLJ haters fault" line of thought you are developing. Good luck with that.
     
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    Ah, I figured you would be familiar with the surveys since you always leave a rating on my posts.
    That's silly. Several critics seems to be upset by supposed swipes at Rian Johnson. Based on my knowledge of this film that wasn't JJ's intention. So the critics are creating that scenario and many of those critics think this was done to appease the fans. Make of that what you will, but I'd blame the critics for not having tougher skin over some people on the internet.
     
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    high 50 on rt is generous imo.

    The movie has just so many problems, mostly story related.
     
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    What a bummer.
     
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    Which it shouldnt be. Maybe it will be your fav movie of the saga.
     
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    I guess while a few of those post might have been amusing at the time, they were not interesting or memorable enough for me to recall.


    As Josh mentioned it shouldn't be a bummer. Just because one person does not like it or set of anointed critics do not like it does not mean you will not as well. While I do understand that it is tempting to want everyone to like the same things you want to like don't let it dictate your opinion.
     
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    And we have been over how delusional it is to think that the fans who despised TLJ was just a «small and vocal majority»

    ROS will tank. Both audience and critics will find it a «meh» movie.

    The reasons for this is lucasarts decision to not have an overall plan for the trilogy, as well as putting a indie movie writer/director with a huge ego in charge of the middle movie.
     
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    the entire sequel trilogy is a giant mess, from a story perspective. bet Disney are regretting not using George's treatments. you'd think it impossible to mess up something like Star Wars this badly, it's legacy and beloved characters to fall back on. they could have been printing money with new episodes for years to come if they'd done these movies right.
     
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    Not using GL treatment is not even the problem, not sticking to one outline for this trilogy that a Director or two or even three bring to the screen is the real crime here.
     
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    maybe but what George outlined for sure would have been better than what we got. i can't see how things could have turned out much better had JJ had free reign over the entire thing. personally most of the issues were there from TFA and it got progressively worse.
     
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    Can we steer this back on topic? This was supposed to be about the Rotten Tomatoes critics score and it's turning into the airing of grievances part of Festivus.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not, we will never know sadly.

    All I know is I am pissed af atm.

    194 reviews in and its still at 58%. Could get in the 60s or in the low 50s at this point.
     
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    Yeah I saw some of the Collider stuff. I haven’t seen TROS of course but can’t quite understand how Endgame is somehow so much better when it sounds like TROS is basically similar? Big epic popcorn action with a bunch of fan service.

    I will admit I’m not the biggest Marvel fan in the world but Endgame for me was just fine. Enjoyable. Sounds like that’s what TROS is going to be.
     
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