TROS Tomatometer

You're putting words in my mouth here, buddy.

 

Um ok. Just trying to be helpful. But hey dont let me try to talk you out of being bummed out by whatever implication comes from a low RT score.

 

what's amazing is that even the media class who are practically paid to love these movies can't bring themselves to say it's great, knowing the deception will be short-lived. i'll come to my own conclusions (though we already know the story is garbage) but for them to say it's not that good must mean it's truly bad, lol.

 

Well... yes, and no. It depends how objective and educated the person who wrote it is. If that person did it properly - it's an important opinion describing the quality of the movie (especially if there's a significant group of critics who agree with it). People nowadays often think that their opinion is as good as the opinion of specialists. That's bantha poodoo. That's how idiocy like flat earth is born - "I have literally no idea about astronomy - but I say that my opinion is as good as anything astronomers say", so if an astronomer says "Earth is not flat" I can say "Earth is flat" and both statements have the same "weight".

You may still like a movie described by critics as trash - it's your choice, you're absolutely free to do it. But it may still be "technically" a trash - full of bad pacing, bad tropes, bad acting, bad dialogues, bad story and a lot of other nonsense.
And I'm afraid that's what TROS is - a bad movie which will still be liked by many just because it's a flashy Star Wars. If it's bad - it's bad, and no amount of lightsabers will ever change that.

 

I'm a superhero fan more than I am a Star Wars fan (always have been, always will be). And yeah it's really too soon to compare the two, but it sounds like TROS is nonstop action, while Endgame had exactly two action scenes before the third act (The Garden and New York).

To me it comes down to the plot, the characters, and how fanservice is used. Again, I don't mind blatant fanservice; Rogue One had some and I enjoyed it just fine! Finn's character was practically dripping with fanservice in TFA (so much so that if they said Finn was Luke's son, I would've believed it). But Endgame's fanservice to me was so precise and perfectly lined up with the plot that I can barely view it as such. Endgame was the celebration of the characters we know and love and have seen grow and change and mature over these past ten years. It was a victory lap, a last hurrah, and One Last Mission all rolled into one.

Endgame finds what we didn't know the characters needed to complete their journey, and gives them that. It satisfies the needs of the plot (where does the story need to go), the needs of the character (how can we show that they have grown?), and the needs/wants of the fans (what do "the fans" want, and how can we satisfy it while staying true to the first two?).

I have a feeling TROS will hit two of the three more often than not, but miss on the third. Which two will depend on the scene.

 

Can we put this silly idea to bed? Critics aren't paid to give good reviews. Disney didn't pay people off. If they did then Lion King would have great reviews(Audiences loved it).

I do wonder that over the last 20 years if people have become review obsessed. RT aggregating the reviews over two decades had changed how people consume popular opinion.

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It has to break 74% to get a fresh rating.

 

Thats certified fresh.

 

Endgame is a completely different movie than TROS.
IW was also a perfect set up, TLJ simply wasnt, and Endgame followed the story they set up. TROS feels like a sequel to TFA in comparison - cherrypicking things from TLJ.

I hope you like TROS tho, if you like Action you will have a blast.

 

I've actually read most of the high-profile, major market reviews, and there's a definite theme - the critics either are pre-disposed the dislike Star Wars (several note their general disdain within the piece) or seem to be upset that TROS tosses so much of TLJ, a film the majority of critics REALLY appreciated, and are writing about the new film within the context created by the previous. Which to be clear is FAIR for a professional film critic to do. I'm not saying all of the reviews follow this trend - some simply dislike the movie. I just have a hard time imagining it rated worse than Eps. 1 and 2...

 

@Aquila All "critics" are crap regardless of how credentialed they are because what they get paid to do is crap.

 

I blame Kathleen Kennedy

 

Now is 58%

You know what? I prefer this way cause I usually don't agree with tomatoes. If I had followed the criticisms of a lot of movies, I would have missed a few masterpieces.

And for what I see, the majority of mixed opinions has something positive, like powerful acting, fun, action, answers...

And for those who haven't seen TROS yet (like me, my day is tomorrow) remember, Tomatometer has 97% for Black Panther, one of the most unwatchable movies in the history of cinema (I guess I will receive some disagree ratings here).

Let's keep faith

 

I guess i was overly optimistic as it appears that the RT rating will stay below 60% at least from the critics. Perhaps the audience score will be around 60 as well based on just a rough observation around the forum. Tonight will be my first viewing and then again on Sunday with the family similar to how I saw TLJ. Prepared for the worst, hoping for the best.

 

Audience score may not be trustworthy because... it's the audience score. People will surely be very divided when it comes to this movie - and that's why there will be both high and low scores mixed. So the final outcome will only depend on the number of people from every group. Not every guy who hated the movie will rate it there, same with those who loved it. One group will organize themselves a bit better (on a forum or something like that) and audience score will be skewed a bit. Besides - I expect professional critics to be neutral, unbiased. I can't say the same about common people, especially when it comes to movies with such (often) fanatical fanbase like SW.

The second thing is that a lot of people have terrible taste and see nothing wrong with bad movies as long as they please them somehow (with special effects or silly jokes).
I expect a rather low critics' score (maybe even "rotten") because let's face it - this movie has serious problems and flaws. But I also expect higher audience score (more than 80%) just because it's Star Wars with lightsabers and awesome battle sequence and beloved characters.

 

The thing that will determine the success or failure of this movie isn't meaningless blathering from a bunch of people who need to go out and get actual jobs or the equally meaningless ratings from pointless websites, it's ticket sales and overall box office earnings.

 

Plus they aren't fans of the franchise. They don't care about it. I liken it to Star Trek and the two films JJ did back what, 10 years ago? I liked them, but I'm not a Trekkie. I enjoy the films (some more than others) and I enjoyed Star Trek: the Next Generation, but I'm by no means a Trekkie in the slightest. I have a friend who is, and she hates what JJ did. Absolutely hates it. I get that. I'm viewing the films in a different way.

So when a critic loves, just as an example, The Last Jedi, I couldn't care less what he/she thinks. They are most likely viewing it the way I viewed the Abrams Star Trek films. I'm viewing it differently.

So screw critics. I saw an early screening of TROS and, right now, having only seen it once, I really liked it. We shall see how it ages, as I'll admit, TFA didnt' age well for me, and neither did TLJ.

 

The Clone Wars movie has a 18 on RT... as an example. So what do I know.

 

Yeah, it's all subjective. I'm not going to argue anymore with someone who likes The Last Jedi and I'm not going to defend myself from the fact that I dislike it. I like what I like and that is that.

And I'm with you (I think we said this a few days ago). But I like films that people say are "objectively bad." I like Superman vs. Batman and I like Justice League. I like Green Lantern and I like Suicide Squad (Yes I'm a DC guy). I loved Aquaman. I don't care what a bunch of elitist arrogant critics think. Screw them.

And by the way, I also liked the Clone Wars film.