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TROS Viewings

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Sir Puke, Jan 30, 2020.

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How many times have you seen The Rise of Skywalker in theaters so far?

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  1. madcatwoman17

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    This.
    You have summed up everything I found wanting in this...film. Add to it the complete character assassination of Rey (who here becomes the Mary Sue her fans - including me - refused to believe she was), and Finn....he went from 'man who wanted to run' to committed rebel soldier in TLJ, but spent most of TROS running around screaming REEEEY....all his apparent accomplishments, such as becoming General, happened off screen before the film. Just like half of the story. I felt as if I'd walked in half way through it. Oh, and drug smuggler Poe....obviously a lame attempt to make him the new Han Solo, which didn't work, as they were completely different characters. Even Oscar Isaac admitted he wished they had killed his character off, after all.
     
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    I forgot:

    • Finn has something to tell Rey but never tells her, or the audience. Presumably that he can feel the force, but I felt that was ambiguous.
    • The ending. Is Rey going to continue the Jedi? Maybe if Finn had that conversation with her they could have shown something. But I have no idea if Rey plans to be the only Jedi or start an academy or train anyone else. It was just vague.
     
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    Too much left to supplementary material, but I believe even in the novel it was unclear...it just had a postscript where Rey went back to her friends.

    I still can't believe that she never told anyone Ben had died saving her...Vader had a funeral pyre, a FG, and his redemption became common knowledge in the galaxy, yet post 'The Kiss'...it was as if he never existed. I've spoken to people who weren't a fan of his, and even they are baffled by it.
     
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    Vader's remains were mostly machine in the pyre. All we see is the costume burning. I think Ben and Rey could have merged in the force, the dyad into one, but they did not make that clear because he vanished. If they wanted to hint at that, they could have given her a behavior that was one of Kylo's at the end, to get people thinking.She did take the family name though. Not Solo or Organa, but Skywalker. Is that why? Who knows. Confusing.

    StarWars X: Phoenix Rising. Rey and Ben share one body. She starts growing a beard, and they struggle as a new married couple.
     
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    I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but the last three films in the Skywalker saga ...should have been about the last Skywalker. If DLF wanted a female protagonist then they should have made Rey the last Skywalker. Finn's character had plenty of scope for a Mando style tv series. I'll never understand why they chose to make the closing chapters of the legacy family's story about....someone else.
    And I will NEVER forgive them for having that 'someone else' turn out to be a Palpatine. It's completely tainted the Skywalker saga forever.
     
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    Skywalkers are not gone, they are risen in consciousness, like the sun and moon rising in the sky lightens our world. As they say, no one is really gone. All of these characters live inside of you mythologically. It's a victory in your consciousness for the Skywalkers to ascend like the sun and moon. It's like Jesus ascending on Easter. Leuk- + sky + walker = the light that walks across the sky, the sun. https://www.etymonline.com/word/*leuk- Leuk is the same word root for Lea or Leia. Luma, the name Leia chooses in the Kenobi series, is another light reference.

    In the prequels, the Anakin Skywalker Trilogy, consciousness fell, the sky walker descended into darkness. The whole galaxy went to hell with the people's consciousness falling, and cutting off our connection to spirit-- killing the padme, or sacred flower symbolically. The sacredness that ruled over Naboo--the mind-- as queen, to which we had a secret relationship, a hidden marriage or joining to this divinity. She was secretive before she was married too-- with a body double.

    In the original trilogy, the Luke Skywalker Trilogy, the events free consciousness from the darkness, by Luke, the spiritual sunlight, rescuing his sister who would be in other myths a moon goddess, and returning his father to the heart. Leia is rescued from an artificial moon in ANH. In the Kenobi series, she is rescued from a water moon. She's the moonlight trapped in darkness in the moon in both. In the OT, when Luke saves his father, there is a spiritual rebirth, Anakin ascending to 100% spirit. and Anakin throws Palpatine out of bounds, down the tubes, where he dies 100% spiritually, becoming just a clump of matter on a big mechanical arm, controlled by the dark side, looking for another victim to take his place in the next trilogy.

    Then in the sequel trilogy, the Leia Skywalker/Organa Trilogy, consciousness rises in the people of the galaxy, as the sky walkers ascend to full spiritual brightness. The light is rising inside. The moon goddess, Leia, starts getting powerful, connected to the Force, and less material as she eventually slips into full spiritual brightness, dying to body and ego, and ascending to spirit. There is healing happening. Their light fills the people, and the people rise up.The final scene is the three women, three phases of the illuminated feminine moon, and Luke the masculine sun. Sun and illuminated moon together, which were divided in the end of the prequel trilogy, to create a dark new moon. (death star) That darkness, the separation of the spiritual light from the material world and people, destroyed whole worlds.

    The palpatines never die because they're part of you too. Like I said, Ben and Rey possibly are married in the Force into one body, a dyad united. There's alchemical symbolism in TLJ, and Adam & Eve symbolism from Genesis. Adam & Eve are about duality. In Genesis, it says of the man and the woman, "...and they shall be one flesh." Ben put his life force into her body, and his body disappeared. Is he a force ghost like the others, or is he inside of her? Stay tuned.
     
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    I really, really hope they don't go that way...but frankly I doubt that they will, because one of the reasons Ben Solo was killed off was because they wanted Rey to be a 'lone warrior.' Daisy Ridley herself stated that 'Rey doesn't need a boyfriend', they erased Finn/Rose, but both Finn and Poe were given 'alternative' love interests in Jannah and Zorri.

    The novelisation of TROS makes it very plain that Rey felt nothing for Ben other than 'gratitude' for saving her (which she promptly forgot after five minutes), and there are rumours Abrams didn't want the 'kiss of death' included. The fact is, the ST were all about Rey - and she was never meant to be a Skywalker, Abrams himself said that post TFA.
    The Skywalkers were a family, their story was a family saga and DLF ended it in the most depressing unsatisfying way they could. I just can't understand why they decided to make the ST instead of leaving the original characters and their stories alone and making stand alone films like Rogue 1, and whatever Taika Waititi is doing.
     
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    Jannah and Zorii I think are spiritual symbols, and they are both female, like Holdo in TLJ, maybe a way to show that the goddess is rising, and that this is Leia's trilogy. I think Holdo had something to do with the "divine spark" that's in all of us. Listen to her speech. Jannah is from the islamic Koran, having something to do with heaven, and it means "garden." Zorii Bliss means "follow your bliss," or your true will, maybe the potential that the universe has put into you to grow, your true calling. Jannah appears in the scene where they land at the death star wreckage, where Kylo will be reborn as Ben. This is the place of a spiritual regeneration. Finn's feelings and sensitivities I think are just to show that an ex storm trooper is human, and connecting with that spiritual light and love that transformed him, returning from the group of order-following, mindless, heartless robotic minions to human being. Poe followed his bliss to fight with the resistance, and left his old life behind, also changing like Finn. Rey was a scavenger and a Palpatine that followed her calling in the Force. This shows that everyone at the end, showing up with Lando, has also transformed to face down the darkness. There's a breakthrough there, where Luke Skywalker's consciousness and light has caught on, and changes the whole galaxy, after he thought he failed. Even broom boy was inspired by Luke in the previous movie.

    They all made a willful act, guided by heart and mind. The yellow lightsaber is courage and will, action, made from breaking down the staff-- polarity/duality-- and bringing both ends together. The blue lightsaber of Anakin in the first trilogy represents mind, the green lightsaber in the second trilogy represents heart, and the yellow lightsaber I just described. Your mind (blue) severs the hand of Mace Windu with the purple lightsaber-- spirituality. Descending down the ladder we go. Luke tries to face Vader with the blue lightsaber, and fails. He builds his green lightsaber, and returns in the heart. It's the heart lightsaber (green) that defeats darkness, and lops off the hand with the red lightsaber in it. Luke throws his green lightsaber down and refuses to kill his father, out of love. All of these fights with swords of light are going on inside of us. It is the will-- the yellow lightsaber--- that will stand on the porch of the temple keeping guard, between spirituality, and materialism of the profane world, and join them in the middle.

    Finn also fights and conquers his female antagonist.

    It's a very strange movie. Not wanting the kiss of death maybe had something to do with what I said about it not being a romantic relationship, but a tumultuous relationship inside of ourselves, between the male and female aspects of our own psyche.
     
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    All the females they put into the sequel trilogy are not just for "woke" politics, or looking for romance. They're the goddess coming back in strong, as the moon symbolically fills with light. The elder woman at the end of TROS, Rose, and so on. The rose is another sacred symbol. The elder woman played a character in Space:1999 named Varda, which also means rose. Space:1999 was another moon myth.
     
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    Watched TROS for the 4th time today. 2 in the theatres and 2 on bluray.
     
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