SPOILER Twilight of the Apprentice

I believe the Explosion of the temple separated Vader and Ahsoka. Both warriors were mentally and physically exhausted to continue the fight to the death. Vader walked away "licking his wounds" and Ahsoka walked away heartbroken. To Vader, Ahsoka no longer matters, he sees that bigger picture and that is to destroy the Rebellion uprising and Rule the Galaxy with an iron fist.

 

Perhaps if he hadn't said, "The Sith" twice, I would be more inclined to agree... but the way he spoke there, makes me feel that Maul was measuring his words. Maul isn't angry with the Order of the Sith Lords, he's angry for being used, abandoned and then replaced. "You must first gain dominion over yourself. Then another." -Plagueis to Sidious. In the Clone Wars, he declared himself a "true Lord of the Sith" after gaining dominion over his brother.

"To continue, we need one singular vision…my vision." -Darth Maul
"Brother, let us share our strength. There is no need for dominance between us." -Savage
"Always two there are, my brother—a Master, and an apprentice. And you are the apprentice." -DM

"You must be a Sith. Or think like one." --What's the difference?lol If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it must be a duck. Maul never stopped doing any of that. Its all he knows. Treachery is the way of the Sith and Maul was certainly being treacherous the entire time he worked with Ezra. His plan was to kill the Inquisitors first, then Kanan and Ahsoka, all while blaming the whole thing on Vader's lackeys... so he could use Ezra's hate desire for justice to turn him. Darth Maul will be the main villain next season, as he tries to reacquire the Holocron, hopefully we'll see and hear more about his Sith point of view.

"I once thought as you do..."

Then I pondered Vader's OT legacy and changed my mind.
Ahsoka abandoned Vader. Like Sidious abandoned Maul.
Maul wants to destroy the Empire. Vader wanted Tano to die.

Vader's survival requires no explanation, but if Tano survived that "scorching" blast without assistance from her former master, what makes her more powerful than all the dead Jedi around the temple? I like it better if she sacrificed herself so Ezra and General Kota Kanan could escape.

 

I definetly see your points, however I think there is more than Maul's character than meets the eye. Asajj Ventress in the Clone wars became a very interesting character after Count dooku betrayed her. she had lost interest in killing some of her former enemies, including Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ahsoka Tano. In fact, she rescued Kenobi from Darth Maul and Oppress, more interested in the latter's bounty reward than her previous enmity with the Jedi Master. On the other hand, she helped Tano, as she empathized with the Padawan's situation, likening it to her own with Count Dooku. She also incapacitated a group of clones without seriously harming any of them, and implied that not killing people was her new modus operandi. To highlight her misunderstood status, she used a snake as the icon on her bounty hunter armor; they are thought to be evil, even when they are not. Near the end of the war, as she traveled with Quinlan Vos to assassinate Count Dooku, her more compassionate and trusting side was even more strengthened - to the point of her developing a romantic attraction to him. In the end, she sacrificed herself to save Vos who was influenced by the dark side, fully redeeming herself into the light. Not all sith stay bad, there is something about Maul's character that I could see changing similar to Ventress, maybe saving Ezra from darth vader in the finale of season 3, now that would be crazy.

 

Great points about Ventress @Chewy but there is one major difference between Darth Maul and that Nightsister. Maul was raised as Sith and became a Dark Lord, then was abandoned/ left for dead...

Ventress was more or less a lifelong orphan who wandered from Order to Order and from group to group: Jedi, Dark Jedi, Sith Acolyte, CIS, Nightsisters and the Bounty Hunters Guild.

Ventress sought belonging with others, Maul sought dominion over others.

 

If she ends up being alive, and they revisit this scene, I'll bet this is how it goes down. Similar to the earthquake that separates Kylo and Rey at the end of TFA.

Personally though, I think it's a more powerful ending if she doesn't make it out...

 

I take both your points, but have a slightly different conclusion. I think Maul hates the sith (who are currently fullfilling the rule of two) but not the sith (the religion).

I think he realizes he is no longer a sith, but lives like one, and if he had his way, he'd be THE sith lord with Ezra as his apprentice.

 

THIS. If we look at what Maul said, we find that is the case. When asked if he was a Jedi, he said no. When Era asked if he was a Sith, he did not deny it, he simply claimed that the Sith (as Ezra understood them) were his enemies without calling them Sith Lords.

I disagree. When talking with Pre-Vizla, Maul had this to say about himself and his brother, "We are the true Lords of the Sith." Everything he said to Ezra was Sith-inspired and he went so far that he claimed the boy as his Apprentice, so I don't think he sees himself as anything less than a Sith. Maul talked about the Sith Order's path to power, he shared parts of the Sith code, explained the nature of the dark side and was full of smarm each time he got to mention the rule of two. For my money, unless your name is Darth Vader: once a Dark Lord, always a Dark Lord of the Sith. Maul was raised from birth to be one, kicking him out of Bane's club does nothing to change that fact.

 

Wild question, and very very unlikely. Now what if Maul learned something from Ezra in the future?

 

But right after he declares himself a "true lord of the sith" he gets knocked down a peg. He is defeated, his apprentice killed, left begging for his life and goes underground.

He states many times in the episode his belief in the sith rule of 2. How can he be a sith on his own for last 15 years? I feel like he still believes in Bane's rule of 2 and is plotting to take back his rightful place.

 

@alex As I said before, getting kicked out of Bane's club (losing to Sidious et al) doesn't change anything about his upbringing. How can he be a Sith and not be in Bane's Order? Simple. He need only believe that he is and live like one. If being reduced to a rabid animal couldn't cause him to forget the ways of the Sith, nothing will. Sidious can say whatever he wants, he cannot take back the knowledge that has already been passed down. Heck, he can put the dude in carbonite and wait for a thousand years but the minute he thaws, Darth Maul will act just like the Sith Lord that he was trained to be.

What is likely? Maul will face off against Ezra and Kanan again. My guess is that after being this ----> <---- close to wrecking the plans belonging to Darth Sidious, he'll REALLY be after the holocron now. And if he can turn Ezra along the way? Bonus.

 

Same here. I thought she was really cool in this Season (especially when she gave the Inquisitors a good beating in one of the episodes).

Once a Sith, always a Sith?

 

I meant in regards to Ezra attempting or trying to turn Maul to the light side, much like Luke did with vader In ROTJ. What if Maul understood something in the jedi code as opposed to the sith code. I said it was very unlikely because of what we know of Maul's character obviously, but it's just an idea. The next time Ezra encounters Maul, their fight will be not trying to go for eachother's necks with a lightsaber, more along the lines of a duel with their mind's and words.

 

Look at how he responded to Ezra's questions... he denied ever being a Jedi and to hide the fact that he is an independent Sith Lord, he volunteered that he was once a force wielder. Count Dooku mused before dying that "Treachery is the way of the Sith" and I ask you, how treacherous was Maul? Look at how easy it was for Maul to goad the boy into using his anger and resentment. Its a great question, but I see Maul having more influence upon Ezra than the other way around.

Maul was very much like Palpatine, "Can I count on you?" -- "Then he is doomed to fail." -- "We must hurry. I fear our companions are in danger." --I expect more of the same the next time around. Maul learned from the greatest manipulator of all time, nothing wrong with being the second best at it. Its a nice tribute, if you ask me.

As I wrote in front of the quote that you paraphrased, unless your name is Darth Vader, yes.

 

Ahsoka is the bravest character of Star Wars.

 

Debatable, but she sure is brave. I agree with you on that.

 

We should take a poll on that

R2 should have some votes, this is a close one.

 

Speaking of bravery, did anyone else geek out when Vader said:
"Then you will die braver than most."

Classic Vader line, if there ever was one.

 

That's what I love about this show, they have not once, ruined vader's character. Infact I think they made him even more badass in this show

 

Yeah, I just found out that he is the 8'th bro, even though it was not mentioned in the episode. Extremely disappointed because of rumors that he was Starkiller, Vader's apprentice. This could have been a great opportunity to introduce him.

 

I know I originally thought that to, Starkiller never wore a mask.