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Twitter debate: Does every SW movie have "the wrong title"?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Matsemitsu, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Matsemitsu

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    So I woke up this morning to this post on Twitter, based apparently off of something originally posted to TikTok:

    The user proposes that "every Star Wars movie has the wrong title" and he suggests they should be called as follows:

    Episode I - The Rise of Skywalker
    Episode II - Revenge of the Sith
    Episode III - Attack of the Clones
    Episode IV - Return of the Jedi
    Episode V - The Force Awakens
    Episode VI - The Last Jedi
    Episode VII - The Empire Strikes Back
    Episode VIII - A New Hope
    Episode IX - The Phantom Menace

    Short explanation for each choice provided in the clip. Since this has sparked quite a number of comments on Twitter, many of which are in the direction of "mind blown", "that guy is so right" etc, I wanted to open this up for discussion among us "real" fans. What do you think?

    I do feel there is something to that, but only in about a third of the cases above is the change really striking. IMO it especially works out for I and IX. In some other cases, however, it only works if you take a very superficial view of what happens in the movie.

    But what do you guys think? Enlightened or full of sith, this guy? Are SW titles so generic that they could apply to any other film in the saga as well?

    EDIT: I should add that Kris Tapley, who's a Hollywood journalist, only posted but did not create this. So by "this guy" I'm referring to the original creator of the video in the video.
     
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  2. Creo

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    :D the dude has a point and the movie titles could be rearranged like this, but I like the way the movies are currently called, the title sometimes makes you think, like in the case of Rise of Skywalker, people were speculating who that Skywalker is that is supposed to rise before the movie came out, so I think it's a good title
     
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  3. Matsemitsu

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    Agreed. TPM, ANH, ROTJ, TFA, TLJ, TROS are all titles I think whose meaning can be debated, which is part of the fun. E.g. with Return of the Jedi, I found it amusing that when Ian Doescher did his Shakespeare adaptation, he called it "The Jedi doth return". Clearly singular, in which case the title can only refer to Luke. But how does he "return" to anything or from anywhere? He wasn't gone. No, the Jedi in that title (for me at least) was always the Jedi as an institution. Or else, it's literally three Jedi that return at the end, as Force Ghosts. So there's always been a bit of leeway in terms of how to interpret titles. That can never hurt.
     
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    You know, I actually sort of like it in the new way. That's a new thought!
     
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    Same here.

    Especially for The Phantom Menace as ep.IX.
     
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    Nah.

    (Don't mean to be rude).

    There are reasons why each film is called as it is.

    Episode I - The Phantom Menace- Phantom in the metaphorical sense- refers to the "something else, something elusive" that Obi-wan mentions at the beginnning of the film- the fact that Palpatine's identity as a Sith lord is never shown. Also, refers to his subtle win at the film's end.

    Episode II- Attack of the Clones- The clones are found by the Jedi, and the Jedi use them to attack. Simple.

    Episode III- Revenge of the Sith- Palpatine finally executes his plan of destroying the Jedi who nearly destroyed the Sith. Thus, he obtains revenge for the Sith. It's the final culmination of his plan.

    Episode IV- A New Hope. The fuzziest of the meanings, since it wasn't in the OG title. Still, it's referring to the new hope- Luke, who's been transferred from the last remaining hope- Obi-wan.

    Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back- The plan for freedom for the galaxy didn't work out, since the Empire doubled down in fury from being defeated last time. Also, Vader is shown to have become even more relentless towards the rebels.

    Episode VI- Return of the Jedi- I guess Luke becoming the epitome of a Jedi (although I'd argue that this is poorly revealed), and Vader turning to the light side.

    Episode VII- The Force Awakens- Apparently, the force can awaken in this film in certain individuals- to a great extent. Also, Rey learns to use the force to a greater extent.

    Episode VIII- The Last Jedi. Luke was the last Jedi at the film's beginning, and Rey is revealed to be the Last Jedi after Luke falls.

    Episode IX- Rise of Skywalker. Kylo rises to defeat Palpatine and turns to the light side. Rey embraces her selected heritage as a Skywalker also

    Now how the substituted meanings line up.

    Episode I - The Rise of Skywalker. Fair enough, since Anakin does rise by winning a podracing race and defeats the The Trade Federation control station, saving Naboo.

    Episode II - Revenge of the Sith. Sort of. Palpatine gets emergency powers and control of the Clone army, but we don't see the end result.

    Episode III - Attack of the Clones. No, this is pretty generic. Yes, the Clones attack, but so does Anakin.

    Episode IV - Return of the Jedi- I guess so. Obi-wan needs to return, and the Jedi need to be revitalized, so okay.

    Episode V - The Force Awakens- No- only in terms of what the Force can do. Luke already "Awakened" (or learned) how to apply the Force in the original Star Wars.

    Episode VI - The Last Jedi. Not really true, since Leia is revealed to also be a fail-safe for the Jedi if Luke fails (why does Yoda say that Luke's the last if there's another?).

    Episode VII - The Empire Strikes Back. Accurate enough, but it's more of- The Empire Striking Strikes Back. It's the Empire tripling down on its control of the galaxy.

    Episode VIII - A New Hope. Not really, Rey was already established. And plenty of other characters in the film get hope once Luke encourages them. So, Luke- the old hope inspires new hope, lol?

    Episode IX - The Phantom Menace. Yes, fair.
     
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    A question of semantics perhaps. "There is another" refers to a new new hope if you will. Potentially Leia could be trained and take Luke's place, but she hasn't received tutelage as Luke has courtesy of Obi-Wan. Just before Yoda dies, he proclaims Luke a Jedi, so whatever other potential Force users/Jedi may be out there, formally there is only one at this point in time.
     
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    It's an interesting thought exercise, but it ignores the fact that SW is a Pulp franchise.

    Pulp, as a genre, is full of episode. story, or series titles that don't actually accurately reflect the plots of said episodes, stories, or series, so the fact that the individual episode titles of the SW films don't quite fit is completely intentional.

    If people want to indulge in this, though, more power to them.
     
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