Underrated Aspect of TLJ

Agreed, I noticed that too! It's really effective how Rian made the Resistance shrink throughout the film, so that by the end of it you can really feel the stakes. It's like condensing the conflict to mere individuals, which makes the scale of the events seemingly smaller, but in fact much bigger when you think about it. As you've mentioned, it was one of the most desperate moments for the good guys in Star Wars. And this whole thing also plays into Luke's powerful sacrifice.

 

and this is where i have to add: if Ren had listened to Hux, they would have won.

don't underestimate the rabid cur. : D

 

And that's what makes their dynamic so great. Hux also misses so many key points, when he's finally right Ren is too in "Rage Ren" mode to listen.

 

i'm gonna miss them as co-commanders so much.
though the end of ix gives me hope that Hux isn't going to kneel to the new Supreme Leader without a fight ~ ha!

but yes, the irony there is delicious and (at least i think) underrated a bit. Ren's self-sabotage is legion in TLJ on so many fronts.

 

Agreed wholeheartedly

 

I love that his ultimate destruction (so far) is all internal. It's not up to Rey or Luke or Leia. It's Ren who will destroy Ren.
That's new in Star Wars.

 

It seems like it would be a lot more difficult for the First Order to rule the galaxy over the Empire. The Empire grew out of a democratically elected Republic. For most people the Empire was simply the by-product of the Clone Wars. It would be a lot more difficult for the First Order (basically an invading force) to subdue the galaxy.

 

However, now that the government of the Republic has been completely wiped out, there will be a lot of instability in the galaxy. As the chaos in the galaxy grows, Many systems may end up welcoming the FO as they will be primed to bring a measure of stability to the galaxy. Of course they will have to forcibly subdue so resisting worlds. This will help allow the Resistance to grow and build back up to a force that can fight back against the FO. Of course this is why there needs to be a few year time jump.

 

It's my understanding that with each conflict centralized control of the galaxy has gotten smaller. So the Empire was smaller than the Republic. The New Republic was smaller than the Empire. So I suspect that the First Order is smaller than the New Republic. The fight is basically becoming who controls the core worlds and everyone else is governing themselves.

 

perhaps as it should be.

the New Republic (according to Bloodline) wasn't exactly doing a bang-up job of creating a fair and equitable galaxy; and there were plenty of factions within it who quietly supported the First Order, so the power was likely never truly consolidated.

 

But according to Luke, this is a great day for the resistance !

 

Here's what Luke said:

 

Actually being reborn with hope sounds like a great day to me.

It brings hope and a goal to the table and many jedis to come ( the thing he wanted to end by burning everything 30 minutes ago ).

But I do agree this is a strange line considering noone answered Leia's call, that the jedis were wrong all the way and that the whole rebels / resistance can board in a small ship.

And maybe that's why there isn't much speculations and theories because it is hard to conceive how to overcome this without a spontaneous generation of force users.

 

The Jedi's were wrong? How and where is this stated in the film? Yoda talks about learning from failure. Luke says failure is the legacy of the Jedi. Yoda's lesson for Luke is that the Jedi learn and move on from failure. The lesson of this film isn't that the Jedi were "wrong all the way."

 

Nice try but I won't watch the movie again to clarify this

I just remember Luke enumerates all the failures of the jedi without mentionning one good thing.

Since you're here, you're going to explain me why Luke changed his mind between the fight with Rey and the one with Kylo Ren ? That now, the jedi are hopeful and needed ( with barely nobody to teach Rey but she doesn't have to ).

Why Yoda told Luke they weren't 'book readers' and that Rey will learn with the books. I need help to understand the logic between these scenes ?

BTW, how do you expect ep IX to begin with ? How many time the resitance need to be a real match to the first order.

 

yes you're right: he does. but he's the one who is wrong, and Yoda tells him this. this is why Luke decides to pitch in and do his thing.

because he realizes that although the Jedi failed spectacularly, the most important part of falling down is to get up again.

cue chumbawamba....

 

Yoda ? Not able to see a sith next to him ? Leading a millenial order with thousands of people to a fallen one with 2 guys giving lessons to Luke ?

How funny ? Still high on rootleaves I guess.

This is your interpretation, this isn't in the movie, it's how you see it which is OK, no offense.

 

it's not an interpretation. it's exactly what Luke and Yoda say in the film.
and it's supported more overtly by the novelization.

this is the whole point of the movie: that failure is not the end. giving up is the end.
it's echoed in every single character (all of whom failure spectacularly throughout), and Luke passes the lesson to Leia on Crait when she despairs and he tells her "no one is ever gone" and winks at Threepio.

 

I'm sorry buddy, those important things had to make the final cut. There are so many useless scenes that it's unbelievable that Luke's reaction of Han's death and this didn't make it.

And I don't have to read a book to explain a movie, just no.

But I did understand the whole failure thing. A failing movie is not the end, there will be ep IX.