Unused TFA Footage in Episode VIII?

I think it is possible that this flashback OT3 reunion scene was filmed and is now added to VIII as an extension of the flashback, probably with Luke explaining to Rey what happened with Ben. I somehow doubt anything for IX is filmed yet.

 

I think Rey's parents are dead. I think Daisy thought this was obvious from TFA due to her reaction when Maz tells her that they are never coming back.
The flashback possibly showed the demise of her parents, something she tries to shut out of her mind.

For Ridley to say it is obvious to me is evidence against Luke being the father and nothing in TFA directly suggests he could be. Going by the subtle clues you could think "oh she might be Han or Leia's or Luke's" but there is nothing obvious. The only direct line we have is from Maz when she says her parents are never coming back. That is the kind of thing you say to someone when their loved ones are dead and you're trying to get them to confront it. Rey's reaction is one of someone who knows this terrible truth. So for me, the obvious is that her parents are dead - it isn't about who they are but what happened to them. And yes, the forceback might've shown more on that and likely will in VIII.

 

much as i would like to see the OT three together, i'd rather not see it under these circumstances.
i hope we don't get flashbacks or more extensive Forcebacks. i hope they leave all these particulars to simple explanations or our own imagination.

that said, i do believe there are Forceback bits that Johnson put to the side, possibly to be reused. i suspect they are about the KoR and/or that mudwallow scene.

 

According to Maryann Brandon who edited The Force Awakens the original idea for the Forceback was a synopsis of the OT. It was supposed to be shots of various scenes. Eventually the idea was scrapped. That was one of the last pieces of the film that was put together. They brought in Ewan Mcgregor to do Obi-Wan a few weeks before the movie was released.

 

I always assumed he kept it to conceal just how little time it took to film his scene so that the public/fans wouldn't guess that he hardly appeared in the movie. And his contract probably stipulated that he keep it until shooting had wrapped.

 

Well, there was a quote from Ridley that originally made me think that she was a Solo/Skywalker and now I think that quote was her letting us know that she is not related at all. In an interview she did in Tokyo with KK she was asked if her character would be related to the skywalker's or solo's and she said something to the effect of I can give you a hint that I am solitary. At the time I thought she had intended that she was a solo, but now I'm thinking that she is not a Skywalker or a Solo.

 

The scenes in the Forceback are so quick, I don't know if removed bits could be used for anything other than another vision.

I figured it had more to do with having him ready for reshoots if necessary. To me it seems silly to have him grow one at all. For such a small part they should have applied a fake one.

 

The most logical to me is the slaughtering of the new Jedi academy.


I think Pablo has pretty explicitly stated that they weren't on the planet with the academy when they were killed.

Despite JJ saying that he set a lot of stuff up in TFA without knowing exactly how RJ was going to explain it, lots of stuff were set up with him knowing how it would play out.

The KOR victory is the one sequence I think he filmed knowing he'd only use a little bit of, but it required all that costume and prop design, the set and rain machine for an extremely short sequence.

I think JJ & RJ discussed that sequence and some of the footage shot by JJ will appear in E8.

You don't need to show a lot but we need to see more than we have already, because it's too big of an event to just be told about. The time jump to TFA necessitates certain events be seen only in novels, etc.

I hope this isn't one of them.

 

Pablo has actually never said Luke's students were killed and he's repeatedly said there was no literal "academy".

that said, i agree that it's probably KoR stuff that got trimmed.

 

Agreed. The only evidence we are given as to the KOR and Luke's "academy" is the flashback scene and this line:

Han Solo: He was training a new generation of Jedi. One boy, an apprentice turned against him, destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible...He walked away from everything.

As we know, "destroy" cannot be taken literally in the Star Wars universe, for example, Kylo Ren destroyed Ben Solo and Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin Skywalker. Of course, once we see the flashback sequence we instantly assume Kylo Ren and the KOR murdered all the students - literally destroying the academy. I think the flashback was specifically edited to give that misleading impression. Ben Solo turning against Luke may be as simple as Snoke finally seducing him and Luke being unable to stop it. Luke felt terrible because he lost his nephew and best friend's son to the dark side. The KOR may be Luke's students, the students do not have to be physically destroyed. We also assume that training a new "generation" of Jedi means there must have been many many students - generation sounds like a lot of people - but in reality it may only be a handful.

 

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I think the interaction with Maz after the vision is ambiguous at best. I am with you 100% if all Maz said was:

Maz Kanata: Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever your waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back.

However, her full statement is:

Maz Kanata: Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever your waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But...there's someone who still could.
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Rey: Luke?

We know Rey is waiting for family to come back to Jakku, she never says parents - just family. All Maz has said is they are not coming back to Jakku. This could mean they physically cannot come back because they are dead or they won't come back because of some other reason, possibly not to give away Rey's location. Remember the irony of Rey's line at the beginning of the movie:

Rey: Classified. Really? Me too. Big secret.

That leaves the last part of Maz's line - "But...there is still someone who could." Taken literally, this means there is still someone in Rey's family that could return to Jakku. Maz's next line starts off with:

Maz Kanata: The belonging you seek is not behind you. It is ahead.

This very well could point to whoever (possibly parent) dropped off Rey is in fact dead but that there is another family member (possibly other parent) still out there, i.e., Luke. It is interesting that Rey was dropped off with Unkar, who is essentially a gangster. Unkar must have been sufficiently scared or in the debt of someone to agree to watch over Rey but then by TFA he treats her like garbage because he knows whoever dropped her off is dead, so he is no longer afraid or in their debt. However, this would imply Unkar is unaware of the other family member.

In the end, Rey's parentage could got a lot of different ways.

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I agree. I said it was edited to assume they physically destroyed the acadmey and students. Random village? Maybe. The script says that when Luke put's his mechanical hand on R-2 they are at a "burning temple". In the background of the KOR scene in the flashback, we see silhouetted in the lightning either a temple or a Force tree, so could all those bodies laying around be Guardians of the Whills? The person Kylo Ren back sabers is described as a "warrior". Interestingly, there was a role in Rogue One given the name of "Religious Warrior" but this was later changed to Partisan Rebel, i.e., one of Saw's band.

 

I'm not buying that explanation. Maybe at sometime they were considering that but the leaked material MSW and others ended up with nowhere comes close to showing a synopsis of the OT. The only thing close to showing anything about the OT was the scene that was not used in the Forceback that was reported by this site of it showing Luke's and Vader's fight from ESB.

 

I don't know why she'd lie about it. The leaked material was far from clear as to what they weren't attempting to accomplish. Also, I'm not sure how early on the idea was abandon. I get the sense listening to various sources around the TFA production that there was an element of "fly by the seat of your pants" going on. It's kind of amazing the film turned out as good as it did given the time they took to make it.

 

I don't think she is necessarily lying. Likely this idea was discussed, but by the time they started shooting the film it was not part of the Forceback. During editing they changed it even further. Maybe because we know more than the average person about TFA, I take more offense to what she is saying.

 

I think everything is being rushed by Disney/LFL to be honest. Unfortunately I do not share your optimistic appraisal of the end result!
They rushed into TFA and Rogue One. Both films releases were put back. Sure, that means more time to spend on them but then it shows poor planning in the first place which I think is hard to ever get passed. And now they're doing the same with the Solo film. That's been put back 7 months.
TFA has an awful lot wrong with it in my view so yes, I think you're right - a lot of it was "fly by the seat of your pants".