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Update! Japanese Star Wars: The Last Jedi Promotional Leaflet Teases 'Shocking Truth'.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, May 16, 2017.

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    Yes but that was prior we knew so much about the Lucas galaxy. The more one knows, more explanations it expects.

    let me give you all a glimpse of game in here

    We know almost nothing about Snoke. Only thing we surely know ( by agressive debunking by officials) is this.

    1.He is not a Plagueis. No any other "candidate mentioned or debunked, just Plagueis.

    2. For things to be secured enough of been breached, we know another , in essence not necessary detail( in fact it is a spoil) that Snoke is Not a Sith.

    Wait a minute, why must we already know that he is not a Sith ?

    Wouldn't this be another twist if they told nothing at all?

    The reason is to add to "debunking" of Plagueis because if there is chance Snoke is Sith, there is only one real pretender, judging its 7 feet tall, alien, thin, haevily damaged, looking like undead, and even called - Wise by Kylo Ren.(that Wise was just for the coherence once trilogy will be finished and watched again by people).
    For hardcore Star Wars fans not putting an accent to the fact he is NOT A SITH will be instant-breach.
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    Everyone knows by now who is Plagueis, because of artifficialy constructed "Plagueis debunking case". Plagues in fact was not so much known in general audience, now it is.
    Stage set on. Imagine you need to use perfectly fitt character for main Villain , which is already prepared by Lucas's genius as a link for the next trilogy (Plagueis), but you need to make dude character known and famous .
    Brilliant.
     
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    Mysterious villains with little to no backstory have been a constant in films for years. It's not required to understand the story. Just because the universe got bigger doesn't mean they owe you more information.
    Go to your local movie theater and ask people going to see Guardians and Fast and Furious who Plagueis is. Then tell me everyone knows who he is.
     
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    No they don't. Hardcore Star Wars fans do.
     
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    I will just put in here fact and you dissaprove it if you can:

    George Lucas has put the story about Darth Plagueis the Wise as a link in case he makes Sequel trilogy. That is a fact.
    He menthored author James Luceno to further develop Plagueis story in which is now decanonized book about Dath Plagueis. Obscure character in Star Wars that has his own book, ok.

    This means nothing if Disney decided otherwise but I just remind people Plagueis is Lucas' constructed character that will enable him to make perfect coherent new trillogy.
    Just this, I don't claim now nothing,just pointing on a fact Plagueis is result of years long thinking by George Lucas how will he, if such things will be done, have the basis of continuation of the evil in Sequel trilogy.

    read the covers (yellow).
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    But wait its not over! if you stay with me all of you will get one thing more.

    Lucas was so involved in Plagueis epic find of Immortality,so he told to composer George Williams to use his melody theme from Indiana Jones: "Finding a Holly Grail".

    Compare melody in background of Plagueis story told by Palpatine behind his words:"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life."---listen music in the background during this exact words.

    ....and than in video below listen a main melody :"Holly Grail "- immortality from same composer Williams.

    Plagueis found Holly Grail - immortality.

     
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    This is true, and if Lucas was still involved would be the perfect evidence, but as he isn't it can't really be used. Disney have already thrown out Lucas' story treatments before...

    Though, THOUGH, if Snoke was to be unveiled as Plagueis, it would be pretty cool
     
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    No, it wouldn't be cool to me or a lot of people. Plagueis is dead. Nothing about Palpatines conversation with Anakin could lead you to believe otherwise. Again, death cheaters make terrible characters. People will assume they are alive. As far as connecting the trilogies, we got Muther f-Ing Luke, Han, Leia, Chewy, and the Droids! Why do we need some obscure throw away villain on screen to connect the trilogies???
     
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    Cheating death was ultimate goal of Dark siders from all times. Snoke is one who is obviously cheating death,look at him.

    In a book "Plagueis" says that after killing Plagueis, Palpatine felt something that left a doubt in him that Plagueis was finished for all times.

    Palpatine inherited Plagues's droid 11-4D that contained data from Plagueis travels and experiments.(Plagues travelled his entire life in his quest for immortality and in his experiments in "Force alchemy", eventually becoming able to create Life and resurrect Dead people.

    When I read in the Aftermath that Palpatine (cronologically just about time after he killed Plagueis) came on Jakku and his droids started excavating there(what will be later known as a ancient computers with maps that lead to unknown Regions of the Galaxy), something, little, hit me.
     
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    That book is not canon. It means nothing. Nobody at Disney is using it as part of the ST story. Open your mind to a new story and a new villain. Let go of Plaugeis.

    Palpatine said "ironic isn't it, he could save others from death, but not himself". If Plagueis was immortal it would RUIN the light side ability for Obi-Wan, Yoda, etc to be able to maintain their identity after death.
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    Not one shred of this is fact. All of this is made up in your mind.
     
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    Even if they absoluetly abandoned Plagueis they are massively teasing people who knew about Plagueis, and read book. To the level of trolling.

    Snoke is made old, decrepit, once obviously received mortal wounds( his wound on the head is in fact incopatible with life if we presume his brain is in his head), his cheak is absolute whoring of the face of Plagueis(Plagues before in his life had massive injury of his face) .he definitely uses Force to bridge his vital functions and keep him alive. Plagueis was tall, thin alien.
    He was called Wise and Kylo call Snoke Wise.

    You know what I want to say? If they abandoned Plagueis entirely it is ok. But people who know Star wars lore more deeply see strange "trolling with Plagueis traits in New Trilogy, with simoultaneous denials .
    This resulted in Plagueis problem.

    It is mainstream to proclaim Plagueis fans as idiots, very easy job, but far from been fair .
     
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    You can be a Plagueis fan and not be an idiot. I would love a Plagueis/Palpatine movie where we see Palpatine kill him in his sleep.

    What about the Jacen/Jaina Solo fans? For many years these characters were canon for Star Wars fans. Disney needed to clean up the EU and start over. It was necessary to tell a story that was new. To add new characters. To add new lore.

    Lastly, the Snoke and Plagueis similarities are just coincidence. I believe Snoke lacks originality. Supposedly Rian Johnson will change that. We will see.
     
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    Jacen Solo and Jena were never mentioned in Star Wars film and are thus, unlike Plagueis , not a new Canon characters. Please try to keep up objective intelectual level of your thoughts so we can have productive conversation.

    Besides, Plagueis debate goes for years now, stupid of me to pull it out again. I apologize.

    But I do believe it would be greatest shock in New trilogy.
     
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    I'm not even going to reply to a comment so insulting. Enjoy reading your Plagueis book over and over again.
     
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    I apologize but comparing Jacen Solo (EU character) and Plagueis(New Canon Character) was definitive trashing of the quality of this debate.
    I share your frustration.
     
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    You trashed the debate when you made up garbage like this. Good day sir.
     
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    Evidence required that Lucas mentioned Plaguis to use in a ST. Even if it exists, as you mentioned its meaningless since Disney is in charge now. Abrams and co. went out of their way to point out that Kylo and Snoke weren't Sith - kinda weird for Plagius to not be a sith, or know how to build a lightsaber etc...

    The book is no longer canon, means nothing.

    It is possible that Palpatine just made Plaqueis up on the spot.
     
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    There hadn't been an imperial research facility there for many years by the time Rey was dropped off. And it makes a strange kind of sense in the same way that Luke was hidden with Anakin's step brother.
     
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    Problem is lack of knowledge of the Star Wars lore, It seems I offended "techstevo", and I am sorry for this, now I must be carefulll not to insult you to for your lack of knowledge, because upon your partial knowledge or hearabouts you also built false perception about Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis the Wise is mentioned:

    1. 2 times in the film "Revenge of the Sith",
    -once in theater scene with Anakin as the most powefull Sith ever, who was able to cheat death and create life,
    -and second time mentioned by Darh Sidious after Anakin became his apprentice, as the only one ever who cheated death

    2. It is main protagonist in now decanonized novel, Darth Plagueis.

    3. In the CANON novel "Tarkin": Darth Plagueis the Wise is mentioned several times. He was real Sith Lord, powerfull and Wise. He left his thoughts recorded. His thoughts were studied by Vader, and Tarkin. Papatine himself, if posthoumusly, gives credit to wisdom of his late master, he many times thought about his late master and asked himself how will Plagueis in his place react on every day problems of the Empire polithics and other problems he was facing.

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    Darth Plagueis in new canon is a well established powerfull and wise Sith Lord, master of Darth Sidious, who was considered as ultimate authority in the field of knowledge of the nature of The Force and strategic thinking based upon this knowledge.
     
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    Definitely, I think it's inevitable that The Last Jedi has a shocking truth; from any perspective, the identity of Rey's parents and legacy will be shocking, if she's not Luke's child, or if she is. Any flashback centered on the fall of Ben Solo and the struggling relationship with Luke. The Last Jedi is constructed as the film in the sequel trilogy with the most weight and story opportunity. So, I don't believe this is a Japanese ad misconstruing the marketing, it's more that the pulse of the film itself hinges on several core mysteries, whether inadvertent or not.
     
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    pffft - I'm not a snowflake like some of the posters on here. You'd have to actually insult me to insult. However I don't have a lack of knowledge, you should actually engage with people before telling them that, cause you're mistake about a few things.

    Plagueis is not mentioned a second time. Palpatine says only 1 has cheated death. Its not Plagueis, its Qui-Gon. Lucas has talked about how the ultimate Sith goal is to avoid death, yet the only ones who can really do that are the Jedi (a skill Qui-Gon discovers) and its something Sith are incapable of.

    I haven't read Tarkin - if it is confirmed he existed, then he did.
     
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    Tarkin Novel is the key. Author of both novels "Darth Plagueis" and "Tarkin" is James Luceno.

    By the will of Canon Department "Plagueis" book is decanonized.

    However "Tarkin" book is included in new Canon. Tarkin is thus critical. In the Tarkin, fortunately, some things mentioned in book "Plagueis" are repeated and thus canonized.

    As I sad in Tarkin novel Plagueis is mentioned as late highest authority of the Dark Side.

    You probabaly heard about Tarkin iniciative, which is a grand organisation under the Empire that was under Tarkin command, that included building of a Death Star ( Rogue one), and it is said that in making his strategy Tarkin studied Plagueis. Vader to.
    And Palpatine give posthumous credits to Plagueis wisdom.

    Plagueis belief that "Force can strike back on him" was cited on few occasions.
     
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