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Update! Japanese Star Wars: The Last Jedi Promotional Leaflet Teases 'Shocking Truth'.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, May 16, 2017.

  1. Canadian Ronin

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    Wonderful, doesn't mean Plagueis is still alive. Just makes him the Machiavelli of Star Wars.
     
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    The plagueis debate has existed for literally years... way before we even knew there would be a new trilogy, and Snoke came to the fore.

    Everyone needs to accept other people's opinions and understand how passionate we all are about these things.

    Seriously guys? arguing about DP? we should be above that here ;)
     
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    Another thread reading too much into vague/subjective clickbait-level material. Awesome.
     
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    Sticking with the Plagueis thread, but also addressing the actual topic:

    What if: DP created TWO lives by the Force - Anakin and Rey.

    And for whatever reason, Rey was preserved on Jakku in palps secret research facility.

    And then broken out and grown and abandoned as a young child. By scientists or other researchers from the facility.

    That would be a major, shocking twist.;):p:D
     
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    Wait a sec.. why are we treating this like official LFL material. This hanging on some wooden wall.. somewhere in Japan. Is this in a Manga shop? Movie theatre? Some seedy place where loli girls in cosplay read your fortune?
    I want a little more provenance before I buy into it.
    I think there's a thread for that. Curious to see what you got.
     
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    It seems no matter what topic, every thread will somehow become discussion about Darth Plagueis or balancing the force. But you are right, this Japanese leaflet is just clickbait type over hype.
     
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    A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I said that the most "shocking truth" that could be revealed in the ST was that Luke and Leia were actually fathered by Obi Wan after an affair with Padme.

    Padme gave them their first names, but what if Obi Wan gave his children (or at least Luke) the last name of "Skywalker" to protect them from the Empire. After all, the limited few at the highest posts within the Empire (DV and EP) knew about Anakin's relationship with Padme. If Anakin learned of more "Skywalkers," he would likely want to protect them (at least not want to execute them on the spot), since they would be his only link to Padme after he killed her (from a certain point of view). (What better way for Obi Wan to protect his own children in plain sight?) Even Palpatine might ultimately view them as a valuable asset (which he did).

    In a way, TPTB might think that it would also redeem the most awful part of the PT, namely Anakin's totally unbelievable turn to the dark side (okay, second worst behind the ridiculous "love story" between Anakin and Padme.. but I digress). If it was revealed that Obi Wan actually betrayed Anakin in this way, we could actually begin to buy into his turn. It certainly would cause Luke to question everything and would also possibly end up completely shattering Ben Solo (again) if he were to learn that he doesn't really have the dark side legacy from his "grandfather" that he based his turn to the dark side on...

    Of course, the most ardent fans of Obi Wan would hate this "shocking twist" so I doubt Lucasfilm would actually do it. But, I firmly believe that this would really be the most "shocking truth" that could possibly be revealed. As @JJJJJJJedi said, such a reveal would have many fans furious and upset. It would in fact be a true betrayal of Anakin/Vader, cementing Obi Wan as a liar and master manipulator. (But for just cause? Talk about exploring moral ambiguity...) Arguably, this would be the type of reveal that could match (and ultimately overturn?) the "I am your father" moment, which would have fans excited, engaged, and in some cases really pissed off!

    Again, I don't see it happening and I'm not even saying I want it to happen, but it would surely cause a major seismic shift in how we all view Star Wars, looking back and forward into the future.
     
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    The whole star wars community united (rare case btw ) would go apeshit if that happens. lmao
     
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    Just because you are obsessed with the Plagueis and Tarkin books doesn't mean people lack knowledge. Personally I could care less about the books. You know why? Because the books compliment the movies, but aren't important to the ultimate story being told in the films. The Aftermath books were great. So was Bloodlines. A lot of cool stuff happened and some interesting insights. BUT, none of it mattered to TFA and none of it will matter to TLJ.

    I honestly think the biggest shock will be when the credits roll. Knowing we will never see Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia again.
     
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    Han cheated death by surviving being frozen in carbonite.... guess he could be Plaguies also? ... I don't think just because you survive a traumatic life experience links you to Plaguies.

    If we reference any look of Plaguies from the EU novel, can we overlook that Plaguies was a Munn? .... Over the past couple years of Plaguies debate, I still don't understand how some just pick and choose what fits the Plaguies theory and overlook what doesn't!

    Actually, his name wasn't mentioned in your second example.... the exact lines are "to cheat death is a power only one has achieved..." as shown in this clip... its not saying the only one who cheated death



    For me, it just references his first mention in the opera scene where Palps said "he could keep the ones he cared about from dying" but..... "It's ironic, he could save others from death but not himself" .... the entire mention/reference of Darth Plaguies in the entire 6 movies is roughly two and a half minutes...
     
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    He's just referring to Plagueis being able to keep people he cared about from dying. I honestly think he's just lying like a rug to get Anakin to join him. Ooooorrrrr maybe Plagueis kept Palpatine from dying somehow. The irony would be Plagueis is dead and he's alive.

    Either way Plagueis is dead.
     
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    Oh I totally agree. I've always considered it could have just been a lure playing on Anakin's fears of loss. Helping to ensure when the time came, Anakin would have to choose his side because he needed him alive to keep his dream/vision from coming true.

    Even Pablo says he is dead! :)
     
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    with the carbonite thing, it was seemingly "usual" since the republic/jedi used it as well during the clone wars for stealth purposes.
     
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    It is stated that Plagueis is the only one who learned to cheat death. Yes, we do not have any canon confirmation he was able to save himself from death, but he was, and stayed the only one who acheived to cheat death by saving others, he was able to create life, and was able to resurrect dead people. It is canon fact that Plagueis became so powerfull that only thing he was afraid of, was losing his power.

    In the novel Tarkin (its canon) this Plagueis fear was elaborated more closely. Plagueis fear was that Force itself will strike him back, in a way of retaliation for his immense power he acheived. He knew that his own immense power and mendling with life itself could make Force strike back for that.(in other words he was aware he seriously changed the balance of the Force by his actions and that Force could take action against him to balance itself).

    Those are extraordinary facts about character some see as "obscure" Plagueis.

    Let me add another thing. Troughout almost 30 years both Palpatine and Vader together tried to repeat Plagueis acheivement, and failed. He stayed the only one who was able to save from death the others.

    All of this is Canon.
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    Which is not a canon, but from some references in canon books we can speculate , Darth Plagueis the Wise secret could be this: In his "Force Alchemy" he used Dark side but also a Light side of the Force.
    Plagueis transcended (lifted himself above) the Sith even before Palpatine's assassination.
    Palpatine was immensly strong but he stayed radical Sith, as a such he didn't managed to use the Light side needed for the Achemy of life. Plagues did not told him everything.

    Because, Light side is the one that creates Life.

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    Please do note that freezing in Carbonite was a method ,though not sophisticated and safe, of preserving living being, not killing it. Han had solid chance to survive carbonite freezing and , definitely a significant risk to die during the process to. He didn't died (Thanks George!)
    ...about Moon race..let us talk about this later(to big post already)
     
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    I believe that the twist will be related to Luke and the Jedi. Marketing always hypes up the most obvious plot points, and we already received this one in the trailer.

    Also, come on, this is not a Plagueis thread. I'm sick and tired of this :rolleyes:.
     
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    Bendu, anyone?

    Whatever, let's get back to topic there is a whole thread for Plagi.


     
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    Anyway thanks for giving me so much dislike and bad chevrons for my effort to show the argumenting knowledge about Plagueis .

    Nice toxicity just because someone still believes Plagueis will be this "shocking truth".

    For anyone who really did aknowledged post # 74., Darth Plagueis the Wise in fact already is a shocking truth of Star Wars..

    Here, take more stones in your palms.

    Did you know that Tarkin was at first reserved about Death Star (even felt in Rogue one), and why was Tarkin at first reserved about use of Death Star?
    -this is from the novel Tarkin (canon)

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    Tarkin studied Plagueis, and noted Plagueis belief that any action that can make distruption of the balance of the Force could cause Force to strike back. Such action could be killing billions of people at once.(this happened, this disruption even Obi-Wan felt, ..." like a million voices suddenly screamed in terror"-after destruction of Alderaan.

    Tarkin was worried that using such immense weapon as Death Star could cause Force strike back on him to. That is why he hesitated,and was caucious at first but eventually he was so owerwhelmed by the Power of Death Star and stopped believing in that. That is why despite his shuttle ready to escape, he stayed on the Death Star, and died" in a moment of triumph"

    The Force did backfired on him trough the hands of Luke Skywalker. Vader escaped.

    Even Vader's words:."..this technologic horror you constructed is insignificant next to the power of the Force..can bee seen as influenced by the Plagueis wisdom, and in fact the prophecy that Force could strike back for this technological horror they constructed.
     
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    1. You've been trying to convince everyone that Snoke is Plagueis.
    2. You keep citing things as canon from a CONVERSATION between Anakin and Palpatine. Palpatine could have made up all of the "cheat death" stuff knowing Anakin feared Padme dying.
    3. You've literally made stuff up to support your argument (Lucas and Williams used the same music theme for the Knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as he did with Opera scene?) That makes Plagueis immortal? WTF?
    4. Plagueis would never be a shocking truth because 90% of the movie going audience has no idea who the hell he is.
     
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    I like waffles.
     
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    To finish this, and really this is my last post in this thread about Plagues (hip, hip hurray!), I will reveal to you something about Snoke you already knew, but not in this way.

    Snoke is damaged, tall humanoid alien that looks like he was certainly almost dead or even dead once, but Force keeps him alive, he knows everything that happened before in the Republic and the Empire,

    He is influencing life , he is able to influence Ben while still a fetus in a womb of Leia.

    Snoke is very powerfull, very wise, but very reserved despite his power.

    His base is mobile, (probabaly a super star destroyer cruising and avoiding any engamenets in the unknown regions) ,and he prefers not to be in direct contact with anyone (likes to communicate by hologram)..

    He doesn't worry about any loss of his First Order including Starkiller base.

    He worries about only one single thing.

    That Force will strike back on him.(which, eventually IT will;)?)
     
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