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Update! Japanese Star Wars: The Last Jedi Promotional Leaflet Teases 'Shocking Truth'.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, May 16, 2017.

  1. Jedi77-83

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    For example, Leia said to Luke that her mom died when she was very young in ROTJ, as it was assumed that their mother took her to Alderran. Then in ROTS she dies at childbirth and looks like a quitter leaving both babies orphaned. That is a plot point where Lucas sacrificed the OT for a good dramatic death scene for Padme in the PT.
     
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    HA HA Thank you Google Translations.
     
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    And narow minded People misinterpreted it all and created their religions which every one is only partialy explaining some aspects of the One Force.
    Amen
     
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    I'd be willing to debate the quitting and leaving the babies orphaned point; however, I would agree that the original story was retcon'd in order to tell the new story of the Skywalker twins.
     
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    Or Lucas just messed up - its not like this is the ONE inconsistency with the PT.
     
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    Regarding this part:
    "Furthermore, Kylo Ren's mother, the leader of the Resistance, Leia, Poe, Finn, and BB-8, will embark on a new mission!"

    Will they release a book giving us some backstory on this new mission like they did with "Before the Awakening"? I hope so, I probably won't see it until around the 21st to 26th, so that will give me time to read it.
     
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    I imagine that mission will be part of the movie.
     
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    Yes, the mission will be part of the movie. But they could put out a book with backstory just like they did with "Before the Awakening" and "Catalyst". Because it did have almost slightly spoiler-ish backstory details, they did not release BtA until the day TFA released in theaters. I imagine they would do the same thing this time. This works out for me because I never like to see a big blockbuster movie on opening weekend.
     
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    The shocking reveal will be that Snoke is actually Boba Fett and his scars are from the pit of Sarlacc Pit. (boba fett) Remember you heard it hear first folks.

    .......... I am kidding btw but have seen this online as an actual theory
     
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    Mmmmm Force relativism. No. The Sith ironically were the ones that reduced both interpretations to "a certain point of view."

    For the above to be true. LFL needs to commit to violating the 40 year old teachings of the films. Marginalize the importance of the Jedi. And diminish the standing of some of their most marketable characters. Even if you want to reject believing in good and evil (because its clear that the sides have moral components) they aren't going to tarnish ROTJ, make Vader's redemption meaningless, destroy Luke's declaration as a Jedi, and make Yoda a diluted cult leader.
     
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    Think of how Taoist think of light and dark - yin and yang .. that might be closer to how the force should be considered. "In Taoist metaphysics, distinctions between good and bad, along with other dichotomous moral judgments, are perceptual, not real; so, the duality of yin and yang is an indivisible whole."
    --- Double Post Merged, May 19, 2017, Original Post Date: May 19, 2017 ---
    Luke may reveal some hard truths or new teachings about the force that are more wholistic and have a deeper understanding of the Force... an no not GRAY JEDI. More like Karma. That even inaction can be bad, and action perceived as good, can be bad.
     
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    I think Lucas liked the idea of appealing to many religious philosophies even referring to the Yin and Yang. However he made it crystal clear that the Jedi are good, that the balance was not a neutral position it is firmly a light side pursuit. Selflessness, compassion sought harmony with other beings in symbiosis thus only the light side could bring balance. So even if the there are no more Jedi. They are not going to diminish the Jedi because to do so insults 6 films, retcons the ideas of the saga's creator and unnecessarily alienates long time fans.
     
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    Well, that's it. It happened. I stated earlier that EVERY thread has a reference to Plagueis or Balancing the Force regardless of the thread topic. Thank you @Pastor Barndog!!!! :p

    Oh, and I agree 1000% with what you just said! The force isn't some scale you balance with equal parts good and evil. I still say keep it simple. Good versus Evil must be clear or it's not Star Wars.
     
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    Sounds to me there is a good chance it's fan made!! Not to shabby though!

    Hit the nail on the head. Especially #4

    Strawberry?

    Don't think we have yet seen what kind of power Snoke may have! Anything is possible!

    I must have went to the bathroom during this part of TFA....
    --- Double Post Merged, May 19, 2017, Original Post Date: May 19, 2017 ---
    JackNicholson.jpg

    :p:p:p:p

    The shocking truth could be if its fan made and not put out by LF .... lol
     
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    The most important fact about this thread is that it clearly shows people want shocking truths in episode VIII, not just boom and zoom and nice CGI action, so lets hope there will be shocking truths and no some cheap delivery for the money like Rey is Rey ,Snoke is Snoke, and Finn is Finn, and that kind of stuff .
     
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    I am not sure. Do they WANT a shock or are they seeing a lack of detail and assuming that there is a REASON to not yet know. Second is the similarities between ANH so strong that people can't shake that this film will evoke ESB.

    I mean are we rushing to fill in blanks that are simply benign matters that have already been shown but our mind for clever theory can't allow. Now 2 years in we are flooding the net with our theories giving Disney billions in free advertising.
     
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    I'll take anything on them brother, syrup, chocolate, strawberries, anything.

    On topic, I'm enjoying some of the ideas for the big "twist" in TLJ - better than what I can come up with as of now!

    What I wouldn't like, however, is if it is simply 'Rey is Luke's daughter'. I'm not going into this movie NEEDING, WANTING AND DEMANDING a twist (far from it, a damn fine character driven story is what I want) but I think if anyone at LFL is hedging bets that this will shock the world, they may be in for a surprise...

    (though I do not believe they're that naive)
     
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    I don't think the twist (or "shocking truth!") is going to be who any of the characters is, but what they've done.

    Whether this will "surpass previous stories"...well, that's a pretty tall order. ;)
     
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    Words have often more then on meaning and another outlet that picked that up goes into that.
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/if-the-last..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
     
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    Luke has obviously gone through a lot, he's searching for answers, he MAY think the Jedi have to end, he may also be wrong. What if his pupil sets him back on the right path and he incorporates the old knowledge that he has discovered. Maybe he failed with the New Jedi Order because he wasn't prepared. It's possible that he'll find a more wholistic approach to the force that doesn't diminish the Jedi. Clearly the Jedi of the Prequels were out manoeuvered, they were punked, destroyed. They weren't perfect. They were blind to their own shortcomings. The Jedi were fallible, why? What was missing or had been lost that allowed them to fail so terribly? Lucas himself diminished the Jedi, it's part of the story.
     
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