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Vader- key to rogue one or just a marketing gimmick

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by FallenAngel, Aug 12, 2016.

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Vader - whats your take

  1. Small but significant role

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  2. Meaningless role

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  3. Large role

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  4. Purely a markting gimmick

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  1. Teemto Pagalies

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    WHAT IF Tarkin took Krennic's place after Vader killed him??
     
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    Krennic is an ISB agent, Tarkin is a grand moff. Tarkin is already super busy as governor of the region and overseer of the Death Star. He is too important and powerful.

    Someone else would be appointed to that role.
     
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    But that was the only time the story required him to draw his saber in TESB. When the story requires it it is good, when it doesn't it is gratuitous cheap marketing.
     
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    Exactly.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 24, 2016 ---
    Hell, I thought it was cheesy and distracting in Saving Private Ryan. But it was probably the least objectionable of all of them (District 9, anyone? What a shaky-cam blast-show THAT ended up being.)
     
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    They mounted cordless screwdrivers onto the cameras and thought they were inventing something.... so at least they didn't use the same crap as everyone else. ;)

    I hate the fake shakes, but SPR's are the best of that lot... I've always chalked it up to Spielberg's hack.


    And yes, D9 was terrible on more than one level.
    :p
     
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    I could never tell how many additional levels of shittiness might have lay beneath the two-hour grand mal seizure that was District 9's cinematography. Mainly because I couldn't see what the hell was even going on.

    I always suspected that perhaps there was a decent movie under all of that mindless jitter, but it's just as likely that it was as big a trainwreck story-wise as it was visual-wise. Again, who could tell?
     
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    Uhm, not directly. He’s the director from a different branch: Advanced Weapons Research Division. He’s not part of the Imperial Security Bureau.

    Both just wear similar military uniforms. ;)
     
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    I believe he is key to R1 because of his obsession with finding the death star plans. He always had that need to be involved in the big projects Sidious had planned.
     
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    By the way, that might explain why Krennic has access to all Kinds of prototype and never seen before stuff that made it not yet in the imperial military main line, such as TIE Striker, Delta Class Shuttle, Death Trooper etc.

    I know that there were heated debates in other threads about the new aka old tech, sometimes the answer can be as simple as that.
     
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    It's far more complex than that.

    The reality is that the critics and audiences "disagreed" on TESB, ROTJ, TPM and AOTC. The audiences were positive the critics not so much. ROTS was the first SW movie since ANH that was actually popular with critics and the audience combined since ANH and TFA did that as well.

    TFA's audience rating has slowly been sliding down from the high of the early days (which is to be expected).

    Of course this harder core slice of the audience is still only representative of a small portion of the actual overall audience that pays little attention to critics or fans but simply watch and enjoy the movies hence why the prequels have made hundreds of millions into eventual billions of dollars post-theatrical release.

    So despite all of the "faults" of ALL of the movies (and I would say TFA is terribly flawed and not only the weakest movie so far but likely will be looked back on as the weakest SW movie of all for a very long time) that doesn't really matter to the actual audience who really don't worry about fan things.

    We ARE the small minority.
     
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    I have to disagree. TPM and AOTC are objectively bad movies. Terrible dialogue, poor scripting, no character development. Yeah TFA has it's flaws, but it's a coherent story, has good dialogue and good characters. I personally didn't care for the Starkiller base aspect, but there was nothing as bad as the battle droids, Jar Jar the Neimodian accents, or the level of plothole that TPM had or the utter pointlessness of AoTC. RoTS was decent IMO aside from the dialogue but TFA is still a far better movie.
     
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    ROTS, while not a great film by any stretch of the imagination, does still have some legit Star Wars magic in it. TFA has ZERO. No memorable characters or scenes.

    I disliked the PT intensely and spent quite a bit of time sifting through the rubble to understand what went wrong....but I've re-watched each of the episodes several times, because within the films clunky dialogue, and sterile environments, there is some real magic sprinkled here and there....

    I've watched TFA approximately one time, and will never watch it again because there's literally nothing to go back for. Since JJ Abrams is gone, perhaps the next one will be better....but i've been saying this since ROTJ and it just never happens. So I'm not holding my breath or anything.
     
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    Yeah, he'll probably be a major threat or antagonist preventing the heroes from solving one of the plot conflicts. But with their tiptoeing around his involvement, he may be in the movie only momentarily.
     
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    Are you talking about the District 9 that came out in 2009? The one that received near universal acclaim and was nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards? It has been a while since I saw it, but I didn't have any problem telling what was going on. Are you extra-susceptible to motion sickness or something?

    I mean, I realize that no matter what it is, there are always going to be people that don't like it - but going out of your way to refer to a Bradbury Award winning film as a "blast-show" just because you personally didn't like it seems extreme. Unless you were just trolling, in which case, carry on.
     
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    Still him being Palpy's problem solver in this situation is enough, if it's just for appearances as long as he is on it, I'm cool with that.
     
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    I know they probably don't want to have Darth Vader overshadow the opportunity for new characters and stories, but I like that you bring up his problem solver aspect. Part of that in the original trilogy wasn't just him overseeing unfolding situations from his star destroyer or the Death Star, but rather he quite often contributed his substantial combat abilities and prowess to solve situations very much in person. So I wouldn't be surprised (And indeed I'd be very pleased) if during the brief time he's in the film he attacks a main protagonist with his lightsabre or something similarly combat-oriented.
     
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    Touched a nerve, did I?

    Yeah, shaky-cam is a cheap gimmick used to simulate tension, rather than creating tension through story and character. And it made District 9 virtually unwatchable.

    If you prefer your movies to be the visual equivalent of an epileptic fit, more power to you. But when the spastic camera work ends up upstaging story and characters, as happened throughout District 9, that's just bad filmmaking.

    The good news for you, however, is that from early reports it sounds as though Rogue One will jitter and shake its way into your heart.
     
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    Fast cuts are also a cheap way of creating tension....plenty of that in TFA....another reason it didn't feel like legit STar Wars.
     
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    There is no way they won't use Vader in an outstanding way. You know for many people Vader is the symbol of Star Wars and especially in a movie with a bunch of unknown characters. ;)
     
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    Something tells me Vader has to be important because, any comments about his involvement from Lucasfilm people aside, they're making such a darn show of hiding him from us while we know he's in the movie. They must feel confident that he'll deliver for audiences, and he's unlikely to do that if he's just there for marketing.

    And unlike, say, his son in TFA, we know he has lines and a decent level of onscreen presence.
     
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