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Vader's Pursuit of the Tantive IV

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Darth Nole, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. Darth Nole

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    We all know the ending of R1 and how Vader glares into space as the Tantive IV makes a successful jump into hyperspace and escapes albeit briefly, the iron grip of the Empire. We also know how the beginning of ANH opens, apparently moments later, with the Tantive IV being pursued by the Imperial Star Destroyer just above Tatooine.

    So my question is, were the Imperials able to place a tracking device onto the ship, or did Vader have intel that the ship would be going to his old homeworld? Is this something that is mentioned somewhere in the screenplay or a novel? I don't read many books anymore and may have missed that...

    Added spoiler tag -jmjawors
     
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    I assumed it was mostly because Vader was a great tracker. In ESB he tells them to "calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory", when he was trying to track the Falcon. There could also be a homing device. Not sure this has been explained definitively.
     
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    I haven't read the script (I'm not sure it is released yet), but there is nothing in the novel.

    I agree with @techsteveo , if he heard all the possible destinations, Vader could easily determine it's Tatooine they are going for - he knows that Obi-Wan is alive and he could sense it through the Force.
     
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    Looking at the galactic map, Scarif is pretty close to Tatooine. In fact, using only canon sources, it seems like the most logical destination. There's presumably no reason for Leia to go to Crystophsis, Rodia, or any of the nearby smaller planets... but going to Tatooine would be almost an insult to Vader. He wouldn't necessarily know Obi Wan was there, but at this point he's relatively near Tatooine, and his son, daughter, and former mentor (all force sensitive) are there. I imagine he could feel it.
     
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    Remember, when ANH was written, Luke and Leia weren't Vader's children. I don't think Vader could sense anyone on a planet from the deck of a Star Destroyer. He sensed Luke aboard a shuttle not far from him in ROTJ, but not on a planet below. I think he calculates that Leia is trying to get away and an Outter Rim world like Tatooine makes sense based on her last known trajectory. If Vader was meant to sense Obi-Wan, he would have went to Tatooine himself and tried to kill him.
     
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    Sure, but this is 30+ years later. At the time of ANH, we don't know how long Vader had been directly on the tail of Tantive IV. Now, in 2016, we know the whole Skywalker family and where Vader and Leia had just come from. It's just a theory, of course, but there's no reason to cripple ourselves by ignoring canon items that we know are true.

    But yeah, I still think that even without the Force, Tatooine would be the most logical location simply because of the galactic map.
     
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    Did I miss a comic or novel where it states Vader knew OB1 was alive? In ANH, he says he senses a presence he hasn't felt since... and leaves it at that. I agree if he felt for a second OB1 was alive he would have went after him like the final scene of R1.
     
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    Why would he think OB1 dead?
     
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    Well, now that you ask, I don't know why he never went looking for him. I always thought he assumed he died in Order 66, but they had their fight after all that mess, so I'm not sure. Maybe the emperor told him to leave it alone for now, in time, he will seek you out.
     
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    We aren't certain of this. It could be as long as a few days. SW loves to play tricks with time, like how long Leia and Han spent in the space slug making repairs to the Falcon (could be days, could be weeks, could be hours), and how long Luke spent training with Yoda (could be days, could be weeks, could be hours).

    The closest we can get is saying the two events happened "soon" after.

    Like when I tell my wife I'll be home from the bar "soon" (could be days, could be weeks, could be hours)...
     
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    Well, I disagree. Vader didn't know Obi-Wan was alive or if he was dead nor did he know that he was on Tatooine. Vader (Anakin) spent a good part of his life there, and met Obi-Wan there. If he had any inkling of that connection he would have made more of a search. He simply sends down a garrison to check the escape pod. His troops even trace the plans to Owen - his step brother.

    Maybe he could have stopped down and cleaved up some more Tusken Raiders for the LOLz. sorry.....

    Anyway. The Falcon blasts out of Mos Eisley and comes to Aldergone. He gets a hint of Obi-Wan's presence when the Falcon is brought aboard the DeathStar.
     
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    When he learns about Ahsoka in Rebels, he says to the Emperor that she might help them find Obi-Wan - so he knows, even if Palpatine questions it.

     
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    My own theory is he did not find the Tantive IV through heightened dark side senses or his abilities, but through the endless resources of the Galactic Empire: "there are spies everywhere"....
     
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    Even though canon, a mistake. I side with those who say he couldn't have had a padawan.
     
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    I’m still not clear on why the Tantive was inside another ship with Leia aboard anyway. Didn’t Bail tell Mon he was sending her to go fetch Obi-Wan? Why in the world (galaxy) would she, and her ship, be there at all? A bizarre set of coincidental circumstances? Destiny?
     
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    I think she docked there shortly after Raddus got the plans and was disabled. They needed a way to get the plans out of the system since Communications were jammed.
     
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    Interesting idea. So she rerouted from Tatooine 'cuz she heard she missing out on some action? Classic Leia.
     
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    Yep, never went looking for Yoda either. I'd guess just arrogance of the Sith. Jedi had been vanquished.

    It does SEEM that they were in hiding. If you were Obi-wan would you pick Tatooine??? It's a scalding dump that was outside the Republic... Same with Yoda, unless that was his original home... :)
     
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    If you were Obi-Wan would you leave the son of the evil chosen one with his extended family? With the same last name?
     
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