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Vader's Pursuit of the Tantive IV

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Darth Nole, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. SKB

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    If Vader is so bad-ass, why didn't he Force-pull the Tantive IV back to the docking bay?
    ;)
     
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    That's just it, though - that's not at all clear when watching the movie. I've seen R1 twice now, and both times the Artoo/Threepio cameo has felt way out of place. Maybe they aren't on Yavin 4 after everyone connected with the Tantive IV has left, but it sure feels as though they are. (At the very least, isn't everyone on Raddus' ship by that point? What Threepio is reacting to is the Rebel fighter squadrons following the fleet into battle.)

    I think one of the details that muddles the whole thing is Threepio's line "They're going to Scarif?!" That just adds to the impression that the droids are staying there and everyone else is going to Scarif. IMHO, "We're going to Scarif?!" would have been a clearer line there.

    It all just feels like the scene was conceived and added at the last moment before they had the completed film "in the can".
     
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    Except Vader says it in ANH, "I sense a presence I haven't felt since..." so he couldn't have known obi wan was on tattooing but maybe they did something where the war destroyer jumps into the signature left by leia' s jump similar to how people in Harry Potter can jump through the signature of other people's apparate things
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    Budget, wouldn't be able to explain why he never does it again, etc
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    Why does it have to be obvious or made obvious? If it doesn't move the plot forward, most films (if not all films) aren't going to include it.

    Too many people sit here and nit pick at a film, which is different from a book/novel... Different goals, different forms of art. Enjoy the film for what it is.
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    But that's more realistic. The person who said Raddus has left only knows that he was leaving. Whether Raddus had completed the process is not known to him (I'm sure he wasn't tasked with keeping track of Raddus' every move).

    Think about all of the conversations you have with people. How often do they say someone HAS done something only for you to find out they hadn't completed the process yet?
     
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    He's not that powerful to do that.
     
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    So then by your logic why include R2 and 3PO? They do NOTHING for the plot. Sometimes there are elements in movies included simply out of whimsy. George Lucas was famous for it. Stormtroopers on Dewbacks anyone? Whimsy. GL thought it was cool. Edwards obviously didn't want to have the first SW film without the droids, so he stuck them in there. I'll bet the Han Solo movie doesn't have them though.



    Raddus was probably taking a shuttle back to his ship. I doubt all of those Senators and Rebel Admirals massed in space above Yavin. They were probably scattered about to avoid attention.


    Now, as I've watched the movie again, it does seem that Bail is saying to Captain Antilles that he has a mission for him. My opinion is Bail leaves on a separate ship. Antilles and the droids are still on Yavin. Leia must be elsewhere. Thats probably Antilles mission, to go get her and then rendezvous with the fleet.
     
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    Sounds like a plot for a good Star Wars Story movie!
     
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    Yes, he senses his presence, because the Millenium Falcon is aboard the Death Star and ObiWan is close to him.
    Remember, Qui Gon feels the presence of Anakin only when they have landed on Tatooine: "I feel a disturbance in the force" he says to his padawan OB1.
    I'm sure neither Vader nor anyone is able to sense the presence of a Jedi in the Force, when it is far away from him. From Coruscant for example, it was impossible to sense neither Yoda on Dagobah, nor Obiwan on Tatooine.



    The Galaxy is extended! "Billions of worlds" says QuiGon to young Anakin in TPM.
    It is yet very difficult to chase a man who escapes on our little Earth - therefore, on the scale of a Galaxy, it is just unthinkable.



    Are you sure the StormTroopers know that Owen Lars is related to Lord Vader ???? I don't think so.
    First of all, they are only a handful of persons in the whole galaxy who know that Anakin Skywalker is Lord Vader ; I only count 5: Sidious and Vader of course, Obiwan and Yoda because of the security holograms in the Jedi Temple right after the attack, and perhaps Tarkin (this is not formally stated).
    Second, there are even fewer people who know that Owen is the first son of the second husband of the mother of Anakin Skywalker.
    So, relate Owen Lars and Lord Vader is simply not possible for a random stormtrooper.



    Lord Vader drew a line on all that was Anakin Skywalker "this name has no meaning to me".
    I assume he doesn't want to approach that planet where his mother died, and where he suffered as a slave during his youngest years.



    They have never found Yoda - does not mean they never went looking for him !
    Absolutely : remember how Palpatine could hide himself from the Jedi, when he was a Senator in TPM. The Jedi did know a Sith Lord was ruling the Senate, but they just never suspected Palpatine because he was hiding himself in the force.



    Agreed. That particuliar scene also annoyed me. Like many others here in the Cantina, their cameo would have fit better in the final scene, dragging like fools in the middle of the chaos, while the rebels were facing that black guy with his red blade
     
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    Vader wasn't to let her get away.
     
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    Bail Organa also knew.
     
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    Yes you're right, they are 6, wich we can add a few more (but by this time we don't know where they are): Ahsoka Tano, Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger, and probably - I don't remember - the rest of the Ghost crew.
     
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    Kanan and Ezra don't know and I doubt Ahsoka has told anyone else (assuming she's alive (of course she is)). Especially not anyone in the Rebellion. How could that type of intelligence have remained a secret from Luke for the three years between ANH and ESB otherwise?
     
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    I know Ahsoka told Ezra that Anakin was her old master, but I don't think she mentioned Vader to him, or Kanan for that matter?

    I may be wrong...
     
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    OK, this is where I probably failed :) it seems I wrote too quickly.
    I was referring to what The Hud wrote : Ahsoka tells Ezra that the Dark Lord they faced is her former master.
    I too soon concluded that she told everything to the two jedi.
    I apologize.
     
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    I hope so, @daRinze , for your sake. @eeprom is not as forgiving as I am.

    ;)
     
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    I have ten bottles of blue milk for @eeprom, to be forgiven... :p
     
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    Starkillers advice could have been helpful
    [​IMG]

    edit: Even tho its legends, this scene still kicks ass.
     
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    A great TFU moment, the apprentice would've become the master this time.
     
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    I am sure Vader was confidant in capturing the Tantiv IV and didn't need to pull it back to the ship. And it turned out he was right. Yoda could lift a ship. It made for a better movie the way it was though, and it was probably the best and cleanest plan to do it the way they did.


    Canon about Vader and who he was. Please add.

    Who knew Anakin was Vader before Yavin canon and knew about twins.

    Obi-Wan, Yoda, Bail Organa.

    Knew Vader was Anakin that we know of.

    Ahsoka (but only towards the end, she didn't know until she challenged him, Bail even tries to feel her out about it),
    Darth Sidious/Palpatine,
    Tarkin suspected (novel), but later knew somehow (movie),
    Cylo (in comic was involved with his life suit),
    Inspector Thanoth found out he was Anakin somehow.

    Knew Anakin Skywalker was Luke's father and not above

    Owen and Beru, did not know he was Vader though.

    Suspected Anakin was Vader and the father of Luke and Leia.

    Mon Mothma (She says in canon later on, in Bloodline, probably suspected Leia was Padme's early when adopted, and Luke and her saying they were twins probably made her suspect. She didn't know though, only said she had suspected for a long time).
     
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    Good. Goooood. Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.
     
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