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Vaders training

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Johnny, May 4, 2015.

  1. Johnny

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    I have a question. Did The Emperor ever train Vader? Now that I think about it I've never seen or read of Vader doing anything that is more than just a dark twist on what he learned as a Jedi or some force ability that he naturally had.
     
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    I think they did have some sort of mentorship thing going for a while...
     
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    Yep. I get that. That was pretty clear in the movies even before Anakin when to the dark side. I'm talking about teaching him dark side powers. I would assume the Emperor taught Count Dooku how to use force lightning. Did he teach Vader anything? He tempted him to the dark side with the potential ability to save Padme it would be pitiful if he used him and never taught him anything.
     
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    maybe in the EU? idk for sure. maybe someone else does.
     
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    Helped him learn force choke? Only thing I can think of but I know next to nothing about Legends material.
     
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    He used that on his own in RotS on Pademe
     
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    Not everything has to happen on screen for it to have happened. Could Palp not have just as easily taught him and they didn't feel the need to show us? The answer is yes. He absolutely could have taught him. Anakin is also never shown learning any sort of force powers. Under your assumption we are to assume he taught himself everything he knew. Which is ridiculous
     
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    No. Five minutes after Anakin turned the Emperor dubbed him Vader and said go to Mustafar

    Yet another lost opportunity in a sea of lost opportunities in those shitty movies.
     
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    No actually he tells him to go to the jedi temple and kill the jedi. However, they didn't see each other after that because sheev told him over the comm system to go to mustafar so altogether...you got me there.
     
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    Oh yeah... sorry. He told him to go murder a bunch of innocent children in between.


    He used force choking a few times in the Clone Wars cartoon which is at least watchable.
     
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    The closing scene of ROTS with Palps telling Vader he killed Padme and the heartache it caused him seemed to please the Emperor to no end. It was never said but I got the impression that Sheeve used Vader's strength not just as a blunt instrument go here and kill so and so but Vader's raw power fed him somehow. Sheeve even told Yoda that Vader would be more powerful that either of them.
     
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    Seeing Anakin's growth and struggles through TPM, AOTC, TCW, and ROTS, what more does he need? All that was needed was a reason to fully embrace the Dark Side for it's "opportunities" to save the one last thing he desperately needed. In TPM, he lost his to-be-master in Qui-Gonn, in AOTC, his mother died, in TCW, we see him become more and more aggressive, especially by Season 5, where he mercilessly beats up Clovis for making passes toward Padme, and he begins to choke people through the force and his actual hand, like he did in ANH. His padawan (more like little sister) Ahsoka, leaves him and the order, and was one of the few people he could have ever disclosed his most personal issues with. Finally, in ROTS, he fear's that Padme will die in childbirth, and having lost so many things close to him, he couldn't let it happen.

    And Vader didn't need as much training, as say, Maul or Dooku did, and that's a huge advantage. Compared to Maul, he arguably is a better duelist, and his mastery of the force is levels above Maul. Versus Dooku, his inexperience got the best of him the first time, but his raw force and physical strength, and with his rapidly improved lightsaber skills, Anakin became stronger than Dooku and defeated him. Best part for Sidious, is that Anakin could defeat both without fully tapping into the Dark Side. Anakin did lose to Obi-Wan, from a risky move, but he was already miles ahead of Sidious's previous apprentices, so he would require considerably less training, and instead focus on channeling his rage from all of his sufferings.
     
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    One of things true of Jedi and Sith is the master trains the apprentice. The Emperor never seems to have let Vader in on the many abilities he had. Especially amongst Sith the apprentice is supposed to surpass his master but Vader never did or could because he was being used not trained in my opinion and I can't seem to find anything to contradict that.
     
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    I don't think it was because he never had the opportunity though... remember he had access to the entire jedi archives after the destruction of the temple...he also had a strong affinity with the force to guide his training. he had a strong desire for the power.
     
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    Yes he did I remember that.
     
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