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VIII: Our suggestions

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Ree Yees, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. Ree Yees

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    Imagine you were asked to give Johnson and crew ten bits of advice regarding Episode VIII. What would you suggest? Anything goes, plot, character, design , direction, score, effects etc.

    Here are mine.

    1. Start the story 1-3 years after TFA
    2. If Luke is going to train Rey, we only need to see the cocnlusion of it (though she is already as good as Luke was in ESB)
    3. Don't feel you have to make the film around 2 hrs because of tradition. The story needs to breathe
    4. Do not under any circumstance attach Hayden Christensen to the production.
    5. Take a chance at a less derivative story line; TFA did the job well, SW is back and now I want more twists and turns
    6. If TFA is the lighthearted first story, in which the Republic is annihilated and Han dies, how can VIII go darker? Well I guess destroy the Resistance and kill off Leia; with the Force awakening in Rey, with Luke at her side she might yet topple the First Order without military backup.
    7. Better have a solid, believable backstory for Snoke. And I want it in VIII.
    8. In the same vein, don't relegate *all* backstory to comic books and novels; give us some insight into how Ben became Kylo. Yes, the Force vision in TFA really said it all (Kylo Ben saved Rey), but there is 30 years of character development we have missed!
    9. Let the Force ghosts rest. Explain that a Jedi ghost eventually merges with the Force and becomes indistinct from it ("makes it grow", "life creates it"). You got rid of Han, but I'm more eager to say bye to Yoda and Ben. They, especially Yoda, were overused in the PT. TFA showed clearly that the new blood is doing just fine. 10. That being said, keep 3P0, R2 and Chewie. To be honest, no matter how enjoyable BB8 was, I feel that it's kind of overkill to include BB8, there are enough sidekicks already.

    OK I have more

    11. *If* Lando returns, give him a substantial role, and if not, a namedrop would be nice
    12. I want jagged, looming, dark mountain planet with deep ravines and canyons and caves
    13. Give Hux a storyline
    14. More angry Kylo; love it
    15. More more Poe Dameron.
    16. Slave bikini outfit for Rey
    17. More Finn

    Your turn!
     
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    1 and only sugestion: Don't bring Hayden's force ghost for the Ep. VIII and IX.
     
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    1. don't waste time on backstories (the story is forward, not back).
    2. give the badassery fanboys their rotten angry no-holds-barred Kylo Ren so they'll stop calling him a whiner.
    3. and then subvert that to blow everyone's minds before the credits roll (because maybe you expect it, which is why you don't expect it).
    4. answer the question of Rey's lineage in the first five minutes of the movie so we can stop being distracted by it.
    5. demonstrate Luke's awesome power by NOT having him drop star destroyers on people's heads, but by being the voice of compassion and sanity.
    6. let Rey fail spectacularly. she can pick herself up in the next film.
    7. give Leia some hope for crying out loud.
    8. kill Snoke and let Hux take over the FO ~ give us a human villain for once.
    9. let Finn be the one to actually save Rey (preferably from Ren).
    10. continue the themes of belonging, balance, and a galaxy without leadership in chaos.

    and on a personal note:

    please please please let the KOR be a neutral organization so that we can have some shade of grey in here.
     
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    they would have to have a pretty good reason to do this, other wise it would just come across as excuse to get a her in a skimpy outfit and very sexist....
     
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    Some existing ideas for scenes and character/plot development I've discussed in other threads (linked to below):

    Some other possible things...
    • Major Luke Skywalker screen time
    • Seeing the First Jedi Temple
    • Background information on Snoke, and to see him in person and in action
    • New ships and vehicles (how about seeing those new AT-ATs in action)
    • New planets and landscapes (caverns anyone)
    • New Force abilities demonstrated
    • More information about the Force and perhaps Luke's new understanding of it
    • Force Ghosts (Yoda and Obi-Wan)
    • Possibly a glimpse of the Unknown Regions and First Order activities there

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    seriously @Ree Yees ... wicked thread :)

    my 10 bits of advice for Mr Johnson:-

    1. More Luke. nuff said
    2. More of the same with Rey, Finn, Poe & Kylo. i absolutely love the characters.
    3. Luke training Rey
    4. Snoke. i wanna see him in action, and to get some back story.
    5. Rey making her own lightsaber. surely we've gotta see this happen on the big screen? it could be pure magic if done right.
    6. Phasma. not really sure what i want from Phasma.... just... something more
    7. Kylo/Ben's confliction between the light and the dark... i want it ramped up even higher!
    8. Han Solo. he needs to spoken about during the movie at some point. his death was done beautifully but its gonna be hard to see all the other OT characters and know that we wont be seeing him anymore. us fans are hurting!

    9. ignore my first 8 requests, do your own thing and make a f*&!%ing great star wars movie!
    10. try and enjoy the process and don't get too stressed. your making a star wars movie dude, enjoy every second of it.
     
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    Here are my thoughts:

    1. Do not make a rehash of ESB! Take us somewhere we have never been.
    2. NO FORCE GHOSTS!!!! Move forward with new chracters.
    3. NO LANDO!!!!
    4. Make it less clear who is good and who is evil. This was one of the most intriguing ideas I heard about before TFA came out, but I felt it was not taken advantage of in the movie.
    5. Make Luke torn between the light side and the dark side! I want to see him struggle with this.
    6. Show very, very little of Luke training Rey. We know it is being done, we don't have to see it. Get on with the story.
    7. Between episodes 8 and 9, have Kylo struggle with the dark, then turn back to the light. Once he turns to the light, he can't live with the guilt of what he did to his father, so he sacrifices himself saving someone else.
    8. Put me in it.
    9. Don't be afraid to go dark.
    10. Put me in it.
     
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    this is by far my number one thing i want from episode 8, "The Force Awakens" worked as a bit of a rehash, but they cant pull that trick again, if they don't give us something new, their is no long term future for star wars.

    here are some of my own suggestions:

    1, work on making the villains look strong! Kylo Ren came across as fascinating and a great character, but not particularly imposing. Build him up in this episode have him train with Snoke, have him kick Rey's arse at the end make him badass. Make Snoke terrifying, make us understand why he is such a threat to the galaxy, show his power.

    2, Don't have Finn be force sensitive. At the moment he is interesting and different, how is an ex storm trooper going to cope going forward, what is he going to do now, what is he fighting for? think you could have a great story line of him starting a storm trooper rebellion. If they make him force senstive his story basicaly becomes training to be a jedi..... we don't need another lead with that character arc.

    3, Don't give everything away. one of the great things about The Force Awakens was the fact that it didn't give too much away, we got Klyo been Han's son, but it saved things back for episode 8 and 9. Episode 8 has to answer more questions, but not all of them, it needs to hold somethings back. So if they give us Rey's back story, don't give us Snokes or vice versa.

    4, Don't Kill Luke, thier is so much more you can do with him, use the character, dont just kill him so you can pass the torch.

    5, don't sweep the prequels under the rug, i know they had flaws but they are part of the saga and nothing that happens in the story should undermine that.

    6, Only give extra screen time to Phasma is you have something interesting for her to do that is important to the plot, don't just shoe horn her in becos she was pointless in the force awakens.

    7, Don't shoe horn in old characters just to have them there, im happy to see Lando, Obi Wan, Anakin or Yoda again if they have an important part to play in the plot, if they don't i'd rather not see them.

    8, Have Poe be married with a kid, think that would be a different and interesting way to go.

    9, John Williams Back.

    10, don't have Rey get her hand cut off.... it would be and utter eye roll moment.
     
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    1.LUKE and SNOKE battle
    2.More tense battle with KYLO and REY
    3.Limit the training time
    4.Force vision of Knights of Ren in more details
    5.Flash back of HAN SOLO
    6.FINN and PHASMA do battle
    7.LANDO takes over HAN SOLO's spot as a general of the resistance perhaps?
    8.JOHN WILLIAMS scores
    9.Short force ghost time with OBW-WAN, YODA, and VADER
    10.More POE
     
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    Only if I get to see Kylo Ren in a black leather g string and a new Vader gimp mask with Snoke showing him the real power of the darkside with a darkforce whip.
     
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    1. Don't introduce too many new characters as stick to the core (Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren).

    2. Don't gloss over Snoke as I want to know alot more about this character after Episode 8.

    3. No Hayden Christensen. I can live with Yoda or Obiwan force Ghost, but please no reminder of the #1 reason I hated the PT.

    4. Luke & Leia reunion.

    5. No Lando. I love Lando, but Billy Dee Williams is too old these days as he is not very sharp in interviews. I don't want to see a sad, pathetic Lando, let me remember the cool Colt 45 drinking guy from the OT.

    6. Keep the humor going. ESB showed you could make a darker film, yet still funny.

    7. If you read the novel there is a spark between Rey & Poe when they meet each as I think they should explore them as a couple. Finn & Rey should stay friends and you introduce a love interest to him in Episode 8.

    8. More Phasma looking for revenge on Finn.

    9. Of course more Luke.

    10. Keep Chewy as Rey's new sidekick for the Falcon as it just feels right.
     
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    Sorry guys I didn't read any of the post above me cause I have to get to bed soon but I will tomorrow so sorry if I repeat.

    In no particular order just what comes to my mind...

    - Tension between Chewbacca and Lea. The tension being Chewey wanting to kill Kylo, Lea wanting to save him.

    - Rey being Rey. I think she is great.

    - Kylo submerging himself in the dark side like I like a chocolate chip in peanut butter.

    - Luke kicking serious ass. Sorry but like one guy said on here, I've waited 30 years for it.

    - Chewbacca snapping and ripping arms litterly off of people.

    - Snokes backstory...give it all to us don't make us wait till IX

    - NO SUPER WEAPONS!!!!!!!!!

    - A confrontation between Luke and Kylo without fighting. Just great monologue.

    - The millennium falcon in the opening scene of course. FOR ONCE!

    - Last idea I have to make this a good one let me think... I got it! R2 finally pushes C3PO into a trash compacter after he smarts off one to many times! Just kidding... kind of. Ummm The Jedi Temple. News about it but not everything. Keep some of it a secret.
     
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    1) Great Dialogue for Luke, Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo, Snoke, Hux, Leia, Phasma.
    2) Great New Music to distinguish 8 from 7 (some hummable themes).
    3) Give me either Snokes backstory and intentions or Reys backstory and parentage. NOT both, unless you've got some very juicy details for 9 (Ben saves Rey from KOR?) and even then, it probably shouldn't be done.
    4) You do not have to connect ANY dots to ESB other than Jedis are being trained and evil is winning some battles against the good side (but grey areas are encouraged).
    5) I am all for Finn being a storm trooper savior of sorts, calling upon them to turn away from their forced, stolen-from-families servitude of the FO.
    6) I want to see Snoke in person in this movie. I want his animation to be more life like than the transmission even. I want his intentions to press the boundaries of dark.
    7) I want no super weapon to be in play for 8.
    8) I want 8 to get a quality name that I can get behind; The Order of Darkness...
    9) Give me some sort of space battle.
    10) Give me some sort of land assault, speeder chase, battle that fits the story.
    11) Keep prioritizing snarky humor.
    12) Don't be afraid to develop even further force abilities (mind reading, freeze blaster shot, etc).
    13) Seeing Lando, Yoda, Obi-Wan and/or Anakin again could be more distracting than satisfying. Do it right or not at all. Don't force this.
    14) Remember you can't please everyone and create a fun and passionate atmosphere for filming. This is Star Wars, excitement should be contagious and the passion should be cultivated.
    15) Don't branch the story off too much. Develop our main characters and give them depth.
    16) If you must do a flashback with Han, make the dialogue and scenes concise and effective. Don't lolligag in the past too long.
    17) Give Han some emotional influence in this movie. Dead but not forgotten.
    18) Maybe connect Phasma vs Finn, Rey vs Kylo, Luke vs Snoke, Leia/Poe vs Hux type of story branches, but let their be gray areas.
    19) KOR: Who? Why? Where? When? Do not underwhelm with these guys. Their badassery potential shouldn't go to waste unless it directly raises one characters badasseryness; Snoke or Kylo kill them all? Snoke absorbs them in some way?
    20) I personally wouldn't mind Snoke being Plagueis. I think it would be a satisfying connection to the PT and develop a nice understanding of his intentions, abilities, and save some time, cleverly, on backstory.
    21) Show me a story we haven't seen before. But let it look and feel like Star Wars just like 7 accomplished.
    22) Keep CG creatures as realistic and as sparingly used as possible. The Rapthars were not too welcomed by me.
     
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    What about the Episode VIII just skipped the training.

    It's might be 2-3 years after the Force Awakens.

    Rey and Luke are on the quest to find some knowledge of the ancient Sith, maybe the way to bring balance to the force.

    Kylo and the Knight of Ren along with the First Order stormed the rebel base and capture General Leia. Killed some old faces there.

    Finn and Poe are hopeless to rescue the General, then they get a contact from an old ally, Lando Calrissian.

    Kylo knows that Luke will come back for his sister (Kylo's mom) and that's would be a chance to kill his former master.

    This will mirror the Empire Strike Back in a creative way. Same story line but no need to be the same in details.
     
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    1. No snow. Not a single bloody snowflake. No probe droids, tauntauns or AT-AT walking machine combat.
    2. No trips to Dagobah to see Force ghost Yoda/Obi-Wan.
    3. No asteroid fields, moist caves with mynocks and space slug scenes.
    4. No Lando and no Bespin Cloud City.
    5. No blowing up C-3PO and reassembly scenes.
    6. No return of Boba Fett. Ever!
    7. No carbonite freezing.
    8. No limb replacements.
    9. Rey not to wear Han Solo's clothes when she takes charge of the Falcon like Lando did. Weirdly.
    10. No Mickey Mouse cameos.
    ;)
     
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    I'd like to personally see a deeper understanding of the Force in Reys training like perhaps:

    • Have Luke and Rey meditate together perhaps having the same Force Vision, then afterwards, when she's terrified about what she saw (like we saw in TFA) have him explain the vision to her, and how she should see and interpret the sights which will give her a great peace and calming effect.
    • I'd like to see a scene with Rey sitting in meditation overlooking the sea with Luke nearby as she "Listens to the Universe" and slowly opens her eyes at the end of the session where we see that she has full (or as much as can be) understanding of the Force and we know that she will be a great "Jedi Master" when she grows up...so to speak.
    Then:
    • Kylo and Rey face each other again, and see the look on his face when he realizes (EPIPHANY) that she's his family....and realizing HOW she's related...no dialog required.
    • LANDO CALRISSIAN!
    • Anakin speaking to Kylo.
    • MARA JADE...or her placeholder as Luke's wife. Remember, we don't know if Luke is alone on Ach-to....we just assume it. How about a sudden emergence of her (without warning) in the scene...SURPISE!!
    • Return (briefly) to Tatooine for Luke (with Rey accompanying him) as a "This is where we came from"....visiting the graves of their family.
    • What remains of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, and perhaps how it's being used today in a brief scene.
    • Holocrons
    • A possible quiet emergence of other (or another...singular) Jedi that escaped Order 66 (or maybe in Ep. IX).
     
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    I think with Rian at the helm, this movie is going to be dripping with the force! Stuff we've never dreamed of.

    Lando needs to happen. I'd love to see him with Finn and Chewie. More comedy gold potential here. Plus have we ever seen two black leads share screen time?

    I like your Mara Jade/Luke's wife emergence idea.

    What if all those stone huts that are being recreated actually have Jedi children or future students inside? That would be a twist when they emerge! What if Kylo didn't kill them all and Luke took the survivors away to be trained in secret. Maybe they were babies and now are like 10 or 12 years old.

    Kylo and Snoke, in person. No hologram. Kylo tries to kill Snoke!
     
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    To late..... besides, any new characters will be secondary characters used to further develop our main heroes, like they did with Yoda & Lando in EP.5
     
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    It would be nice to 'extend' Kylo's monologue with Vader's helmet and this time they can have a Vader dark figure appearing in darkness behind Kylo and maybe this time Kylo gets an answer! Not too much just a very short scene to shake things up a little bit.
    They could defenitely use the abandoned concept artwork of Vader that wasn't used in TFA, for Vader/Anakin's look.
    I would personally be thrilled, what do you think?
     
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    1: Rey building her lightsaber.
    2: information about the first Jedi temple
    3: the start of Kylo's turn to the light side
    4: introduce a survivor or two of order 66, and have them survive the movie
    5: Rey's back story explained
    6: no jar jar
    7: no jar jar
    8: no jar jar
    9: no jar jar
    10: do I need to say it no jar jar
     
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