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Voice vs Appearance: The Problem with the Cameos

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cawatrooper, Jan 2, 2020.

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    for what it's worth: that's not the point.
    that's another story or left entirely to our imagination as an audience.

    at the end of the original first Star Wars movie (before it became A New Hope), Luke blew up the Death Star but Vader escaped.
    we had zero concept of sequels at the time and zero knowledge that the story would continue.
    nobody cried foul because the big evil bad guy basically got away.

    on some level i get it: George set precedent by thinking we needed to know every detail about Anakin Skywalker after the fact.
    but we really didn't.
     
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    Well, Filoni already teased that she's alive : p seems like he just can't let go and it leads to the question- why didn't she show up earlier and help Rey or Ben Solo...
     
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    O/T, but yeah - me too! X-cutioner's Song, X-tinction Agenda, Age of Apocalypse. All brilliant!

    To be fair though, she's gonna be a fair bit older by the time TROS rolls around, so it's not unreasonable.
     
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    so many questions. : o p
     
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    I feel Anakin should've appeared
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 3, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 3, 2020 ---
    Maz"For another time."
     
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    One of the things I respect most about this movie (that really strived to nod to the audience whenever it could) was keeping that end sequence relevant to Rey and her journey. Anakin has no place there. He has relevance to us, sure, but not to her.

    You could argue that doesn’t make for a very satisfying button to the nonology, but for this trilogy itself, it jives fine.
     
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    But Ben should have been. If he IS a force ghost that is.
     
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    That doesn’t play very nice with the melody of the scene though. Twin suns > twin lightsabers > twin Skywalkers. I guess maybe if they’d played up that hollow ‘dyad’ concept a bit more and presented Rey/Ben as a similar matching pair. Otherwise, the guy's a third wheel to me. Seems awkward on paper. I might just be lacking vision though.
     
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    Sure but that's mostly for the viewer.
    In terms of the story, the people who affected Rey the most to take the Skywalker name are Luke, Leia and Ben. He's a major part of that.
    But this is getting very close to the "why Tattooine" conversation that will derail this thread lol
     
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    Seeing Anakin again would have been a really emotional moment for me
    The voice lines we got left me cold tbh.

    Imo a missed opportunity
     
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    Eh, I don't think it has to necessarily be like that.

    I mean, we could've even seen the ghost jedi from behind, as they looked on Rey. Add more voices so it's almost cacophony, then maybe highlight some of those voices as the camera focuses on a few key ones (such as Luke and Leia), while throwing in some more fan service ones (like Ahsoka, maybe Kanan or even a teaser with a guy who looks suspiciously like Kyle Katarn).

    I don't think we need the camera to individually pan to every voice, but just a little bit of frame of reference would've been for the best, IMHO.
     
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    True, but it also works as something of a callback to Yoda’s sentiment from TLJ, “we are what they grow beyond.” Rey is paying her respects to her mentors and now graduating to her own station as her own person (in my interpretation). Ben certainly had a part in that, but not in the same way. More of a peer than a teacher, in that respect. I don’t know, it just muddies things a bit for me. ‘Three’s a crowd’ I guess :)
    Good point.

    OT: The voices. Personally, I wasn’t invested at all in what was happening on screen at this point in the movie, so they struck me as remarkably silly. That said, the thought of a chorus line of dozens of Force ghosts cheerleading behind Rey is exponentially sillier to me. So, I prefer what we got. Maybe over time I’ll let my persistent, joyless cynicism down and play with the movie on its own terms and (who knows) even grow to like it. Stranger things have happened.
     
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    I don't disagree but as a close to the Skywalker saga, seeing the last Skywalker as accepted by his family again now, would be something more powerful than "Twins! Basil! Twins!"

    OT: while I appreciate what they were going for, in this case I think this would have been the place for Anakin to actually appear. Not just to Rey but to Ben. Put things in perspective for both. As Yoda says, "We are what they grow beyond." ;)
    Would have been a nice place for little Ani to validate Ben's return and Rey's efforts. etc
     
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    Space Battles.....ahhh yes.....we haven't had a good one since R1. I would put the ST space battles near the bottom of the list (hmmmm maybe a thread/poll on this)

    I agree with all said about TROS - I was disappointed in the space battle.
     
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    The space battle should have earned the title of Star Wars...instead it was...not that.
     
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    Ok. Dont think it works, but OK.
     
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