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SPOILER WandaVision

Discussion in 'Disney/LFL' started by General Kenobi, Jan 16, 2021.

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    My biggest question with all this is still the Pietro stuff. Because, in terms of plot, they really haven't done anything to hint at Pietro being from the X-Men universe. But if you're not going to do something with that, why use Evan Peters? It makes no sense to just tease fans with that for nothing.
     
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    You mean beyond the simple metatextual reference value? As an inside joke, I think it works pretty well as is. If they want to make more hay of it later on, then cool. But I think it works fine this way too.
     
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    I think it's just a fun way to bring in Peters as an actor
     
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    The basic mind map here could be as simple as: For whatever reason, it can’t be the guy from the movie. >> So, who do we get instead? >> Well, Evan Peters technically played a version of this character before. That would be a cute nod.

    Maybe the casting isn’t significant at all beyond its novelty value and has nothing to do with parallel universes or transplanting mutants or whatever. Just putting that out there.
     
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    Episode 8 may be my favorite and least favorite episode at the same time.
     
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    Aaaaaaaaaaaand - chosen one.
     
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    Okay, the Pokemon Presents is over (Brilliant Diamon/Shining Pearl and Pokemon Legends: Arceus), so it's back to WandaVision!

    The Good:
    This episode shows us what Age of Ultron told us, to wonderous effect. We see Wanda's parents and a little bit of her old life in Sokovia. Wanda is also finally working through her trauma. And we now have two Big-Bads with Hayward and Agnes.

    Agnes is still great though! Her devil-may-care attitude provides some nice levity for a pretty dark (by MCU standards) episode. However this also made me question her allegiances. Don't get me wrong, Agnes is being utterly selfish and doing this for selfish reasons, but she's also helping Wanda. Agnes probably doesn't need to say the names of her spells, but does so anyways. She points out things and walks Wanda through her trauma in an almost therapeutic way. Not quite, but almost. Heck, I think I even saw her shed a tear! ...maybe.

    But like I said above, this also may be my least favorite episode as well.

    Hayward's "Evil Vision" plan is pretty cheesy and so Phase 1 MCU that it's not even funny. I have a theory about this that I'll discuss below.

    Next is Vision's acting. I know, I know. Paul Bettany's acting is one of the best things about this show, and it's still true! But in the Post-Age of Ultron scene, his acting for Vision is far too...human that what Vision was at that moment. Vision was still very Shakesperian for most of Civil War, and this scene supposedly took place before then (as evidenced by Wanda's room decorations...if I'm remembering correctly.) But this is a minor thing.

    Episode 8 is all set-up and flashbacks. We don't learn much that's really new, outside of a couple of scenes. But even this is counteracted by the retextualization of those things. Context is everything, and we're finally allowed to see that context.

    Now, onto the theories and other tidbits.
    My big theory is that Vision will gain a new body by taking over Evil Vision, which is why we needed Hayward as a villain with this specific plot. Vision as he is can't leave the Hex, but his maybe Wanda's version of Vision could leave in that new body.


    Next up is Pietro. I was pretty bummed about the "Fietro" but it makes sense. I'm still hoping for an X-Men crossover, but I won't get my hopes up at this rate.

    Wanda got her Superhero Name! Granted, they were building up to it by bringing up the fact she didn't have one before, but I like how it was done here.

    Lastly, I think Wanda and her kids are going to go see Doctor Strange when all this is done. It'll be a sort of "I can't take care of myself right now, so I need to learn how to" sort of thing. I'm not sure if she'll take the twins with her or if she'll leave them with Vision...assuming they exist...but we'll find out next week!

    Overall, while I'm glad this episode is here since I do think it was necessary, I worry about how much we still have to wrap up before this show ends. There are a good deal of loose threads, and I'm not sure an hour is enough time to do them all justice. But we'll see.
     
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    It’s the episode where the audience is literally walked through the character’s psychological profile, step-by-step, and has all internal motivations explicitly dumped in our dumb faces. It’s a fun contrivance, but more than a little patronizing in parts.

    “You’re doing ‘X’ because of ‘Y’. Get it? Get it, audience? See?”
    Yeah, thanks. I’m up to speed. Do you think you can maybe show me how to tie my shoes now? Yea, you’re the best, Wandavision!
     
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    I sort of disagree with this. Knowing something isn't the same as seeing something. That's why the whole "show don't tell" thing is used as a critique, and often incorrectly.

    We know Wanda's history, but now we're seeing it, and seeing her confront it, which serves a separate purpose than just showing it. Because the whole point of this show has been about trauma and how one deals with it. Wanda dealt with it by creating a false world. Monica dealt with it by going back to work and trying to save Wanda (who stands in as a proxy for Monica's mother, who she wasn't there for). Vision deals with what trauma he knows by lashing out against Wanda's control. None are healthy, and that's the point.

    Monica must deal with her emotions, and once she does then she can save Wanda as Wanda, not Wanda-as-a-stand-in.
    Vision must deal with his lack of control by increasing his understanding and empathy. Only then will he be able to regain what he lost.
    And Wanda must walk through the pain to see the source of her new problem, which in turn may provide a new solution. And in doing so, may learn something new about herself that recontexualizes what had happened before. That's what this episode is at its core, a recontexualization of Wanda's past. But they need to show us this, not just tell us.
     
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    What I mean is how shamelessly hand-holdy that exposition orgy was. I’m not saying it doesn’t serve as an organic function within the narrative, just that it was a naked utilitarian device while so much of the series to this point has been so nuanced and subtle. It was an abrupt change in presentation and tactic. It wasn’t ‘bad’, just uncharacteristically blunt and transparent.
    Well, most of us, I guess. I don’t really follow the MCU much. I’ve largely been inferring the subject through context. The show, for me, has been an allegory for coping with grief and loss. It’s a literalization of the stages of bargaining and denial. I quite like that.

    This episode, more or less, hit the pause button on that and said “now let’s all go through this together, one by one, and see how Wanda’s experiential pieces make the whole that defines the central conceit.” That’s lovely and all, but it was such a PowerPoint style exhibition. Very mercenary. Very direct.
    Agreed. My criticism is ‘how’ it was shown. Not ‘that’ it was shown. Make sense?

    ‘A led to B. B led to C. C led to D and now we’re here.’ Seemed like it was more for the benefit of the audience rather than the focal character, who is already fully cognizant of how she’d gotten there emotionally and what she needs to do to properly heal. It seemed way more plot forward to me than truly character based. The construction is mostly asking ‘how?’ more than ‘why?’.

    Now I’m wondering if that’s the principle path the series is taking for the finale: focusing on incident over persona. I hope not, but I know it exists in a larger connected world where plot really is the commodity.
     
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    Kind of a low point for the series. Feels like this episode should have come earlier on and it's just an odd choice to have this fall before the last episode. The episode wasn't bad, but it's not great either. After 7 episodes of a slow burn this is a lot of exposition. Anyway, I imagine they'll throw in some fan service at the end to gloss over a pretty "just okay" run of 8 episodes.
     
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    This wasn't so much for Wanda's purposes as it was to show Agatha's motivations. Hence the whole point of the intro scene.
     
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    I reckon it was for all-of-the-above, yeah? Agatha and Wanda and us. She’s our way in, sure. But what’s specifically detailed isn’t solely for that character’s benefit alone. It’s providing broader context for us too.
     
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    This episode might be the emotional heart of the series. And the conversation between Wanda and Vision in the Avenger compound, emotional heart of the episode. Grief as the love that perseveres is a beautiful sentiment. I can' wait for WandaVision to shine as a unit again regardless how they end.

    When Doctor Strange appears in the next episode, Marvel will completely embrace the magic shoulder to shoulder with the science and Red Witch will soar. My heart is full.
     
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    I WAS RIGHT?
     
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    What do you think?

    Will we get Mordo + Agatha Harkness VS. Sorcerer Supreme + Scarlet Witch in Doctor Strange 2? A battle through multiverse?
     
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    @Addi Ras, why was my post being pessimistic?
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 27, 2021, Original Post Date: Feb 27, 2021 ---
    I'm not aware of any leaks, but if it did leak, I wish you put a spoiler tag on it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Damm sorry about that I was on my mobile so must have accidentally clicked on the rating as I was scrolling down.
    Anyway have removed the rating.
     
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    It's my speculation, not the leak, why would I hide my speculation? And if I am right, sorry. :p

    That would be a great cameo.
     
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    Oh sorry, it sounded like you knew something. It didn't come off as speculation...
     

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