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SPECULATION Was Anakin force ghost a Luke's fantasy ?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Bandini, Aug 31, 2016.

  1. Bandini

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    Don't yell at me yet !!

    There are 3 force ghosts we see in the movies ( I said in the movies ).

    Yoda and Obi Wan's bodies disappeared like they were being absorbed by the Force but Anakin's body didn't , he had to be incinerate.

    So was the Luke's vision real or fantasy ?
     
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    Was that Anakin's body or just Vader's armor?
    Because we did not see him disappear, we assume that the body was burned.
    Would Luke put Vader's mask back on him to burn him?
     
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    His chest seems to be still there.
     
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    Perhaps because Vader was more machine than human he did not disappear, once their bodies are burned they then can become luminous beings, but that means Luke may not disappear either when he dies.

    If Luke could only see them, it is hard to say if it is real or fantasy.
     
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    Why would Luke imagine an accurately younger version of his father he’d never seen before?
     
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    Good point. But it wasn't him the first time :D
     
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    The same could be said for Qui-Gon Jinn. Because they never underwent or completed their training on manifesting consciousness after death, they had to learn the secret after they passed away. This means that their physical body never became one with the force :).
     
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    I’d like to think Hayden Christensen himself was something of a hallucination that never really happened.

    I’d always interpreted that scene as more symbolic than anything else. But then the PT went and cemented that force ghosting is a deliberately sought out skill and pretty much killed that part of the ending for me. Oh well.
     
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    Do we see him as a force ghost in the movies ? I did hesitate on this one. In the Clone Wars, we do but it was from the Mushroom gnome so I'm not quite sure he wasn't high on the rootleaf once again :D
     
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    Qui-Gon could never became one as he never completed his training. He was capable of communicating with Yoda and interacting with the physical world, but lacked the knowledge to manifest the 'physical aspect' of his mind. He was only able to appear as a ghost on Mortis because it was a force conduit.

    So, if Anakin learnt the knowledge after death, then either he is an exception as he was birthed by the force, or Dave Filoni should just freaking tell us already, instead of being a knowledge junkie :mad: ;).
     
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    The more I think about it, the more OK I am with the idea of that scene being a sort of ‘Force Vision’ from Luke’s perspective and not the conventional ghosts seen previously.
     
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    It was a movie and they screwed it up. That is all.
     
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    IIRC: In the junior novel, for Kenobi I think it was, his ghost was waiting for the Spirit of Anakin when he died... so he and Yoda could teach Anakin Skywalker "one last trick before becoming one with the force." It was done as a gift for "ending the horror that was Palpatine." There were quite a few bans handed out over THAT story development. Reward the murderer/ genocidal maniac. And, baby killer gets to go to heaven, that sort of thing. Fun times were had by all.
     
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    Actually it was probably only ANAKIN'S armor that was burnt...just because we didn't see the body go away doesn't mean it didn't disappear so I don't think Luke had any visions of it as a fantasy
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    He was a Force ghost. Qui-Gon didn't disappeared. Like Anakin, his body was burned.
     
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    We don't see him as a Force ghost, but we do hear him as a ghost in AOTC. He is also mentioned in ROTS. Although TCW implies that Obi-Wan may have learned a more complete/advanced/refined version of the technique in order to take on a visual form, but there is no question that Qui-Gon exists as a ghost in the movies.

    I say that Anakin's ghost is definitely not a fantasy. Besides the fact that Luke couldn't have known what Anakin looked like when he was younger, there is no question Obi-Wan's ghost is definitely not a fantasy (he tells Luke something he didn't know), and it doesn't make sense to have a fake ghost standing next to real ghosts. I think it is at least implied that the ghosts are aware of each other and are happy not only for Luke but also because the friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin has been regained.
     
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    Shortly after seeing ROTJ I thought it was just the armor and he could have disappeared. But Obi Wan & Yoda were pretty quick about it. But that fact could just be like a visual aide to fill the audience in quickly as to what's happening. So. IDK.
     
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    Well aslo obi wan and yoda had over 19 years to learn from Qui-Gon since he was the first jedi ever to successfully be able to do it...there isn't a specific timeline from anakin dying to the burning of the body
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    When do we hear him in Ep2?
    It's not 100% whether Luke would have been able to interact with ghost Anakin the same way he did with Obi-Wan though. Similar but different, would be my stab. He could perceive his presence, sure, but does that mean he could sit on a log and have a father/son chat too? I’m guessing no.

    Turning into a ‘force-tergeist’, takes training that Anakin certainly didn’t do.
     
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