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SPECULATION Was Anakin really The Chosen One?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jordan Of Alderaan, Feb 3, 2015.

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Who is the Chosen One?

  1. Anakin/Vader

  2. Luke

  3. Neither - Someone else

  4. Neither - The Prophecy is a lie

  5. The Prophecy was misinterpreted

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  1. Jordan Of Alderaan

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    This is something that plays on my mind a lot and I couldn't see another thread on the topic, so I thought I'd seek other opinions myself! I posted this in the OT thread because, although I will reference the PT and TCW, most people argue for Luke or Anakin and the idea of the prophesied balance being restored is thought to be in RotJ.

    Throughout the entire PT we see Anakin dubbed as "The Chosen One" by a multitude of characters. This also continues into TCW (particularly in the Mortis arc). The Chosen One is referenced in The Prophecy which states that they will defeat the Sith and bring balance to the force.

    Anakin is thought to be The Chosen One after Qui Gon discovers him and his unusually high midichlorion count and from there the Jedi council begin to agree and with them a great deal of others.

    In the Mortis arc of TCW we see this referenced further alongside the idea of balance (Son and Daughter/Light and Dark) and that balance requires light and dark (despite the prophecy mentioning the defeat of the Sith?!).

    In the OT we see Luke convert his father, Anakin, back to the light side in order to defeat The Emperor and (it is thought) thus defeating the Sith.

    With the ST fast approaching I feel like this begs even further questions. In summary, I am asking you who you truly think The Chosen One is!

    Did Anakin truly bring balance to the force through throwing electro-Sheev down? Or is Luke the balance Anakin brought? Is Luke really The Chosen One and his persuasion of Vader the aforementioned balance? Have we actually seen The Chosen One yet (bear in mind the Sith are certainly not destroyed if the ST is anything to go on)? Or is The Prophecy a Sith fabrication intended to play out the plans of the Sith?

    Discuss below! I'd love to see some further speculation on this!
     
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    yes he was the chosen one, he single handedly destroyed the jedi & the republic in one strike of betrayal.
     
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    I always thought it was an odd prophecy, and as mentioned by Yoda (I think) it could have been misread. More than misreading, I think it was willingly misinterpreted by those that followed it, because as you mentioned, they took it to mean "destroy the Sith forever"...

    That raises questions though. If they lived in a time in which the Jedi thrived virtually unopposed, and even the mention of one Sith lord was enough to surprise them, then the Force would've been unbalanced by a landslide towards the Light side. The balance ultimately would've had to be of equal amounts, and thus what Anakin did is more-of-less balance everything out... from a certain point of view.

    I voted that the prophecy was a lie, but I think only the eventual interpretation laid to is was the lie. The prophecy in its purist form (according to the non-canon EU I believe) did not mention the Sith. That was added later in order to "clarify" the prophecy -- in actuality, to make the prophecy something that was palpable to the Jedi. Distorted, it was.

    I think we can lay the "Chosen One" and prophecies to rest for the ST, and I'd be surprised if they dwell on it much. Though, and bear with me for the turnaround here, I wouldn't be surprised if the prophecy and the "balance" achieved does have something to do with the supposed "awakening".
     
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    Excellent response! I'd forgotten about that Yoda line (was it toward the end of AotC with Windu?) and have thusly added a new option on the poll (so feel free to change)!

    I do like the idea of a misinterpretation, as it almost accentuates the Jedi's arrogance/blindness or just lack of vision at the hands of the Sith toward the end of the Republic. I recently posted on another thread regarding different jedi factions and mentioned that it would be good to see different interpretations of the jedi code much like we see different interpretations of modern religions, so I suppose this would almost be akin to that!

    With regards to the prophecy being fabricated, I shall explain my thoughts a little more. Given the Legends content surrounding Anakin's creation, it could well be that the Sith intended to create The Prophecy in line with their attempt to create life as a means to gain some control over the Jedi's actions. Obviously that creation is no longer canon, but I feel the canon could resemble it somewhat. I should also note that I haven't properly read through that side of things, so forgive me if my knowledge is at all off! Possibly just another theory for the fire!
     
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    I've always felt that their chosen one legend was basically just some poetic liberties added to an ancient vision, that could be applied to any powerful force user. Like all of our end times nonsense we get every few years.
     
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    Vote changed, my friend. :)

    Yes I like to think of it as showing a bit of their arrogance as well, and giving a bit of reason to the ideology of the Sith. Well, parts of it. It helps to show that neither side was perfect, and each had their own vices. The Jedi themselves wielded a good deal of power, and enjoyed the ability to basically run around willy-nilly conducting business as they like, in many places seemingly going above the rights you'd assume citizens would have in the Republic, provided they suspected they could get the needed info. Even to the point of attempted imprisonment of the head of state based mostly on suspicion, followed by attempted murder without any sort of trial, nor even any attempt to bring it up to the Senate in general. It's such an outrageous action that it's no wonder the majority of the Senate rallied around him, and he didn't even really have to lie... just not tell the full truth as to why they attacked him.

    Don't get me wrong... the Jedi tried to follow their code and were trying to be the good in the galaxy... Just overall, they had some areas in which they were little more than religious zealots. And they justified it.
     
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    I can really appreciate the morally grey side of the Jedi; it brings them into a more relatable plain and just makes their whole organisation more realistic. I think Windu's death scene in RotS is a great moment for that. We see Anakin saying Palpatine should be allowed a trial and Windu denying that due to his control over the senate. It shows Windu's pragmatism despite execution not exactly being the Jedi way (see: Anakin's remorse after executing Dooku). That element of independent thought can also be seen in Qui Gon to a less morally grey extent. Anakin obviously takes it to new levels though!

    Did you mean the Jedi and the Sith? In which case, you raise a valid point! I'd never considered the fact he basically levels the playing field by eliminating both sides almost entirely. You can't really bring balance much more than that, can you?! Although I suppose you could argue Luke and whoever we see knocking about in TFA could knock that balance...
     
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    Yes I meant both sides, he was the balance between them his actions would tip the balance on how the original trilogy came to be, something had to give at the time, Luke won't be able to keep the balance in place a dark presence will shake to the galaxy's core.
     
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    No, because the prophecy thing is bad PT stuff like the mediclorians or a pregnancy without sexual intercourse.
    The prophecy was never ever mentioned in the OT..
    Vader was nothing special in the OT just a awesome henchman of evil - was this not enough?
     
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    Hard to understand this prophecy, I do
    If their was truly balance in the force after Vader and Sidious died, Their still should have been another Sith still Roaming the galaxy. After all, at the end of ROTJ, the only Force users we know are still alive is Luke (Jedi Knight), and Leia (Force Sensitive). That makes it like this:
    Jedi 2/0 Sith. Unless as I said before, Their is still some minor Sith roaming the Galaxy. What Sith Lord that we have seen in the Star Wars movies and TCW has not died to our knowledge? Darth Maul?
     
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    I'm not sure we've seen an end to Ventress and Maul is still knocking about somewhere, but both have left the Sith path and became rogue.

    It's clear that there are still Sith somewhere though (or at least implied) given what we've seen of TFA so far! So I'm wondering whether we've seen balance restored in that the numbers of Sith and Jedi are now equal or whether we are yet to see that balance.

    I'm personally keen on the idea of The Prophecy being fabricated for Sith purposes though, but I'm guessing this is another thing that is yet to reveal itself or remain a mystery!
     
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    I'd bring back Asajj ventress anyday that nightwitch caused more chaos for both sides.
     
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    We get a little more of Ventress in the Summer when Dark Disciple comes out! I'm hoping she dies a death - she's a brilliant character, but I sort of want a lot of the loose ends tying up before the OT would start and I feel like her character deserves to go out with a bang.

    I mostly want a lot of the Jedi of the Dark Times to die, not only in terms of the prophecy making more sense (not that I believe it was ever genuine) but just for some of the dialogue in the OT with Yoda etc to maintain its integrity!
     
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    Wow you expect a high body count of jedi, I hope Ventress doesn't die she & Quinlan Voss they are the dream pairing for a great lightsaber duel, can't wait for 18/06/15 for uk & 07/07/15 in the USA
     
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    There aren't an awful lot left in terms of Jedi, but with Yoda knowing about Leia being the only hope second to Luke, it suggests that there aren't any other Jedi (or at least none of any use) that he's aware of, but we know that he knows about Kanan and Ezra!

    Yes, Dark Disciple will be excellent!
     
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    Yep they are a scattered minority at the moment, I hope Kanan & Ezra survive long enough to make a impact.
     
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    Now that they are making the ST, Anakin was not the chosen one. In fact, Luke is proably not the chosen one now either, as I believe it will be the Protagonist from the ST. I actually think this allows them to explore a larger aspect of the Force in this trilogy, instead of just some 'chosen one' prophecy. I don't know if they are going to take it that deep in this trlogy to tie everything together, but its a great opportunity to explore the force more and its effect on society.
     
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    You are quite right in that if The Prophecy is true, for the events of the ST to bear any significance above the OT (which you would expect them to really) the Chosen One would be one of that era.

    Although, if Luke is training the next generation of jedi or anything to that effect, one could argue that he could be bringing balance by the extension of his actions? Although by that logic, you could say the way Watto treated Anakin had an impact on the events of Star Wars and thus Watto is the Chosen One. I suppose you would have to draw a line somewhere!

    But yes, the ST will surely have an impact on the way The Prophecy is viewed and understood.
     
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    The next generation of jedi being trained in the ways of the force by luke they will always remember what his father did, I feel Luke was chosen to do what Anakin could not do.
     
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    How do we know that The Chosen One is not Rey for example? Or even Kylo?
     
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