was it all Padme's fault

Yep, remember she didn't tell Anakin about Clovis too. She likes a bit of drama in her love life .

 

It is Padme but Anakin first steps to the dark side are when he killed the Tuskens. Padme had nothing to do with that.

 

From a certain point of view, yes.

Darth Vader told his wife to stay on Coruscant.

She did not listen to him and the rest is history, as the old folks like to say.

 

Anakin wasn't the best to obey orders ( unless a sith was giving him ) and he should have known his wife better. I highly doubt that she was still loving Anakin as Palpatine's puppet and as an empire executive. Padme could have sacrificed herself to her goals, she was one of the bravest character in the saga.

 

"Think back to your earliest teachings...."

I wonder.
How many of those were centered on:
"Its always better to ask forgiveness do whatever you want than it is to ask for permission."

The dummy should have remembered what happened when he left Tatooine with her and headed for Geonosis.

 

I think @FallenAngel means when he 'fully committed' himself to the dark side of the force.

 

Not sure Padme would have enjoyed being the wife of a child killer ...

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I know I did the same with Anakin's force ghost

 

That evil bondage temptress - I love the screen junkies honest trailers name for her. nippley Portman

 

Anakin's fall was not Padme's fault. It's not even Obi-Wan or the Jedi's fault. Anakin is mainly responsible for his own downfall, just as Padme was mainly responsible for her own failings and the Jedi were mainly responsible for theirs.

What exactly do you mean by this?

 

While I don't blame Padme about EVERYTHING messed up that Anakin did, I do have to say that she was part to blame for her (as Palps would say) lack of vision. I mean, come on! The guy became obsessed with you, he has anger issues and tells you that he MURDERED a whole tribe including their children and yet Padme does NOTHING but fall deeper in love with him! What's worst, even after Obi Wan (who was a trusted friend) told her that Anakin had murdered EVEN MORE CHILDREN, Padme was willing to look the other way and act as if nothing had happened if Anakin would have accepted her offer to leave Mustafar with her and live happily ever after! How could she live with the dork and not to mention herself after knowing these things? Had Padme acted when Anakin told her of the Tusken village massacre, I'm pretty sure that the galaxy would not have ended in the messed up way it did. You know, now that I think about it I guess it mostly was Padme's fault!

 

Padme doesnt have the force so she was oblivious to the enture system and that would make me say that it wasn't her fualt and/or she had no idea simply put as shown on Mustafar in ROTS
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No Palpatine played everyone like a fiddle, Padme was out maneuvered just like everyone else. He was the reason for the demise of the Old Republic. Plus the Jedi's ridiculous dogmatic adherence to light side doctrine, which allowed The Sith an advantage over them.

 

I'm amazed at how so many people tend to make the mistake of confusing love with morality. No wonder so many relationships tend to fail. By the way, Padme was just as "obsessed" with Anakin as he "was" with her. She was simply better at hiding it, until she could no longer do so. As for the whole Tusken matter, considering that Padme was more upset over how the Tuskens had killed Shmi, I'm not that surprised that she seemed unconcerned with their fate. Even Cliegg Lars had dismissed them as animals. Was she right? Of course not. But the incident also revealed that Padme WAS NOT A SAINT, even if fans like you tend to demand that she should have been one.

I find it ironic that so many fans are outraged over Padme's attitude toward Anakin's killing of the Tuskens, yet constantly kept making excuses for Leia's support of Chewbacca's attempt to murder Lando.

 

Vader did what he did. Regardless of any other person's actions, even the action's of his wife, it is still Vader. No it is not Padme's fault. Even if Luke and Leia are Obi's kids it would not be Padme's fault. How could it be? We are all responsible for our actions, we can explain our rational because of how we deal with and react to others. Vader decided to be Vader, it could have been different. :sobs:

 

Pacifist Committee member enters into relationship with admitted genocidal maniac. Yep - that never made sense. It makes her just as callous and prejudiced. Sometimes relationships don't work out, but jeez....Padme should have turned him into the Jedi immediately after Geonosis.

Genocide of a tribe vs. Revenge (during wartime) against a lackey who is responsible for giving up a loved one to the evil Galactic Empire and Jabba the Hutt?

That's a false equivalence.

 

Murder is murder. It's not about the numbers. It's about the act. And that "lackey" (which I regard as a racist term), was pressured against his will to help Vader in order to spare the citizens of Bespin. Anyone with brains should have realized this. Apparently, Chewbacca and Leia had put aside their brains and allowed their emotions to rule. What is the point in criticizing Padme's reaction to the Tusken massacre and giving both Leia and Chewbacca a wide berth? I find that to be rather hypocritical.

 

Chewbacca and Leia are at war. Lando made a choice to ally himself for financial security that sacrificed his friend. Unless you're claiming he wasn't Solo's friend - in that case he is a deceitful lackey only showing remorse after the deal was altered, making him a weak-willed deceitful lackey.

Padme is the leader of a Pacifist movement. She's a hypocrite who marries a genocidal teenager, and convinces him to disobey direct orders. She undermines her entire character by doing so.

You're characterization of 'lackey' as a prejudicial term is comical on a level matched only by 2016 presidential debates.

Merriam Webster definition of "lackey" - a person who is or acts like a weak servant of someone powerful.

Yep.

 

Was it all her fault? You tell me...