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Was the new trilogy planned storywise at all?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Mr Hux, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Mr Hux

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    My answer is no. This trilogy's story hasnt been outlined or planned whatsoever. But is this necessarily a problem? Well, i think it is after seeing TLJ. What do you think?
     
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    Apparently KK has said that there is an outline for where they want to be at the end, but the creative teams for each film are free to get there however they like.

    I get the feeling that RJ doesn’t really like JJ. Threw some of what he’d created to the side like trash and then left him quite a few pieces to pick up.
     
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    Assuming that was true, its a sure way to hurt your career. I am wishing that it was the same writing team for all 3 and there were three different directors. The story is now a mess, the way things stand there are so many plot points in TFA that if you go and watch it now, are pointless.
     
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    nope, it was said in some interviews that JJ gave it over to Rian with an open end. This is indeed the problem.
     
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    I think she talked about diversity. More women, more POC and so on. And a more "modern approach" so to speak. I dont think there is a real outline storywise.
     
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    Doesn't look like it, big mistake in my opinion, a good saga needs to be planned in advance, they should have had a complete story treatment for the whole trilogy in advance before doing ep 7. Specific dialogue can be done later but the overall story arch should have been set from the beginning, George could afford certain level of improvisation because it's his creation and he is very familiar with it, JJ and RJ so far have demonstrated complete ineptitude understanding star wars story wise.
     
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    Simply no. Maybe they have some rough idea where they want to end, but i wouldn't bet anything on that either.
     
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    Don't think so
     
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    I don't know why they bothered with a story group. But then again, this is clearly about money and not quality film. it's a real shame. I looked at SW as a different animal from other companies and I see it now as watered down and cheap. Don't kid yourself. Don't believe everything the media is telling you. Sure it'll make a ton of money. A lot of ans are liking the movie, but a lot are not. Don't believe what the media is telling you because they're all in bed in Disney. And I went into this with an open mind I think. I sure expected way more from Johnson. I don't see any development in character apart from maybe Kylo. THAT"S IT.
     
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    I don't think so. They probably had a very general arc, but that's about it. The tone and feel of the two movies in the trilogy so far are so different it gives it away I think.

    ANH and TESB also had different directors etc, but even though they're very different films, the tone is much the same and they tied together quite well. That was probably due to Lucas being producer and having a lot of input. Maybe they're giving the directors too much free reign in this trilogy, it certainly feels like Johnson was allowed to get a little too loose with the story. It feels like it's part of a completely seperate trilogy to TFA.
     
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    As someone who actually liked TLJ, even I think its pretty clear there hasn't been much of a working outline to map out major plot points that are meant to over arc or last through the duration of the trilogy. They probably have some basic idea of the endgame ,but nothing that was detailed as far as how to get them there. Is that a sound creative process? I'm not sure...but as a spectator it does make things interesting to see how they plot their way to a grand finale and make the stakes higher in the aftermath of TLJ. I'm open to anything as long as its not another Death Star/Starkiller/insert planetary destruction device name here....
     
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    Speculation can be fun.

    Here's my take:

    - There's an end game, at least for Kylo Ren, Rey, Finn, and Poe. Likely for Han, Luke, and Leia as well. Carrie's death makes that a little more complicated, of course. There's likely some idea about the "state of the galaxy" at the end of IX as well.

    - TFA was meant to introduce the general audience (not hardcore fans) to the GFFA. We're talking about people who didn't watch TCW or Rebels and whose last experience with Star Wars was ROTS. In my opinion, the purpose of TLJ was to leave the audience off-kilter, without much hope or clear ideas about where things are going in IX. Much like ESB.

    - Simply because some fans may not like where the story has gone in TLJ doesn't mean that there isn't some kind of over-arching vision. And if you think TLJ is devoid of story, I won't try to convince you. I simply disagree.
     
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    Was the original trilogy planned out from the beginning? NO. We all know damn well that Lucas did not have the story shaped in any way, shape, or form in 1975 to the final result that concluded in 1983. It is almost worse to lock yourself into a story from the start. At least if you alter things as you go a long you allow yourself to adapt to what works/doesn't work, who steals the shows, etc...
     
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    I'm absolutely LOVING how many fans are lining up to defend TFA after the absolute dumpster fire that was TLJ. That movie sucked so bad!!!

    BTW: I loved TLJ. In my top 3 with ESB and Rogue One. No particular order.
     
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    Yoda was invented after Star Wars, because Lucas decided to kill Obi-Wan. He didn't think Obi-Wan had enough to do for the rest of the movie.
     
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    That's not relevant.

    - They should have consistently built the galaxy's state alongside the characters. One of the trilogy's biggest weaknesses is its handling of the Republic and the First Order and that continues to hurt its story exponentially.

    - That's a pretty exasperating excuse to make for such an empty film.

    - I don't think it's entirely devoid of story, it's just that there's a lot of underwritten elements that ultimately cripple the trilogy and its characters with some of the story that's there being utterly asinine. There has even been admission that there was never an overarching vision to begin with which might explain why the ST seems like a cobbled together retread of ideas that were more effectively explored in the prior films.
     
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    They put ideas on a wall & threw darts at them. It must be fun working with that Story Group.
     
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    Hang on mate, TLJ was a dumpster fire for you or a top 3, please clarify?

    I love TFA, its fast paced probably more than any othet SW film and introduced a ton of intreague into new characters that clearly the audience were into, then we get TLJ where most of that is crassly and abruptly ended. Rian gets a blank slate trilogy? Im now thinking that was marketing because they knew they had a divisive product and if so its all about the NOW for Disney not about the property they own for the long run. Maybe Fox uaes some of their cash and buys Star Wars from Disney, brings back Gary Kurtz as a producer and makes better stuff from here. I enjoy both TFA and R1 btw.
     
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    I LOVED the mess out of TLJ. I was responding sarcastically to the abject hatred thrown on it by trolls who just want their moment of glory by ripping it. I also loved TFA.

    I'm not one who loves a film just because it's Star Wars. I never really cared for ROTJ and much of the PT wasn't my cup of tea, but the first three Disney SW films have been really satisfying.

    Catch me on the right day and TLJ, RO and TFA could be my top three.....really
     
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    JJ executive produced TLJ and filmed TFA as RJ was writing it. From an executive position he approved the story. Get off your "RJ doesn't like JJ" bandwagon.
     
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