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We Are What They Grow Beyond

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by The Hud, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. The Hud

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    Such a good quote and a wonderful scene - from the moment the camera pans across to reveal Yoda to the green dude and Luke taking in the sight of the burning tree, I think this is one of TLJ's finest scenes.

    What did you guys think about it? Favourite parts of the scene?

    MTFBWY.
     
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    "The greatest teacher, failure is."
     
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    And we certainly learned a lot from TLJ!
    (Kidding...)

    Overall I thought this was one of the better scenes in the TLJ. It was nice to see classic Yoda back with Luke. Although I wish the character of Yoda had kept a little bit more of his scary/creepy tone that he had in ESB rather than leaning so heavily towards Yoda the jokester. I like serious Yoda better.
     
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    But isn't that the point?
    Serious Yoda wouldn't have burned the tree. He wouldn't have told Luke that failure was important. He wouldn't have said nearly any of this to Luke because Yoda didn't fully understand it until after he became one with the force.

    The strict, seriousness of that Yoda was a part in the arrogance that let Palpatine rise.
     
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    Yoda is in another patamar, he is a complete being of light now, he doesn't has to be serious, he can take the life with more fun and not be so worry about the things that happens in the "real world".
    He was just perfect like this in TLJ for me.
     
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    another what ?
     
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    Level. Patamar is portugues...I mix the languages sometimes.
     
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    thank you @Messi, google translate was check and mate :) :) :)
     
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    We also need to remember (in my mind) that THE ONLY reason that Yoda burned down the tree, was to keep Luke from going inside to find that the books were gone.

    Yoda knew that Rey took them, and was keeping that secret from Luke...for the time being. :)
     
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    I don't think the old Yoda would have let Rey take them either.
     
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    Probably my favorite scene in the ST so far. What I love about it is that in stead of just randomly placing Yoda in the movie, they intergrate him in the continuation of Luke's arc from the OT, and the old master teaches him a last lesson that fits with the overall themes of the movie. "The greatest teacher, failure is". It's not a dumb calback to ESB, it's complimentary and incredibly fitting. In addition, the puppet looks and acts exacyly like Yoda should (jokes included), and we get a full statement of Yoda's theme from ESB.
     
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    I love the scene and everyone’s posts here about it.

    I think an important thing to always remember is this isn’t (just) Yoda anymore - this is Force Ghost Yoda. He is essentially now an emissary of the Force itself - on another level, as @Messi says.

    Although it’s not spelled out in the movies, I think of Force ghosts as being not just the ghost of the individual - they are literally ‘one with the Force’ - they are identities the Force now has within it, based on individuals who were so in tune, so in harmony with the Force that they learned how to retain a part of themselves after they physically died. The Force itself is a character, whilst also containing the identities of former characters. ‘The Force Awakens’ in Ep VII, both in and through Rey, but also arguably in its own right - Snoke feels it, and remarks upon it, perhaps in part fearing it, and in part relishing it, as though it marks some final phase in proceedings.

    I also think it’s really interesting to note how Force ghosts increase their ability to interact as the saga progresses, from Qui-Gon and (initally) Obi-Wan as voices only, then visible Obi-Wan, visible Yoda and Anakin, and now Yoda calling forth lightning and I think even more interestingly apparently tapping Luke with his ghostly cane. It makes one wonder just what a Force Ghost Luke might be capable of.

    As a side-note, I really would love the Obi-Wan TV series to feature at least one or two conversations between Obi-Wan and Force Ghost Qui-Gon. As it is, beyond Yoda hearing some buried Qui-Gon audio, really we have only seen Luke seeing Force ghosts, and it makes me wonder whether it is the one seeing the Force ghosts that is as important as the Force Ghosts themselves - that is, being open and sensitive enough to see them.

    Part of the genius of the story of TLJ to me is that while Luke cut himself off from the Force, we don’t actually know if that is why he didn’t see Force Ghost Yoda until he did, when he had already relented, or if it was the will of the Force all along that Luke was ‘held back’ in position until he was needed at the vital time, to save the resistance and to give a future for Rey to grow beyond even him, now that she can act with the benefit of both his teachings and the example of his failures (which he taught to Rey without perhaps even realising it).

    By the time Force Ghost Yoda turns up, it is to let Luke understand his final purpose, and give him the last push he needed to let go of the guilt and shame he felt regarding his failing Ben Solo so that he could perform his last task - not the burning of the tree, which itself conflicted him for apparently the whole time he was in his ‘purgatory’ of time on the island and Force Ghost Yoda relieved him of - but to selflessly expend the last of his physical energy ensuring the future of a new, unburdened Jedi in Rey, who understands where the Jedi went wrong before she even opens one of the ancient Jedi texts, and hopefully in so doing, can avoid the pitfalls of the Jedi Order that fell in the prequel era.
     
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    I found Yoda’s attitude in TLJ more in tune with the older Jedi Order which was more relaxed and had a broader view of what it meant to be a Jedi. The Prequels Jedi are stoic and focused too mich om self-denial (asceticism) over knowing the Force and those sentients connected to it. The legacy of the unorthodox Jedi is immortality, Qui-Gon Jinn discovered the Netherworld (Force Ghost), not the Jedi Council.
     
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    I really enjoyed this scene a lot from a teaching perspective. It was great to see Yoda have one final lesson, and it was really cool to see a retrospective that someone made using this scene and dialogue with clips across the saga. The reminder that failure can help not only you, but others to also learn, while not new knowledge, was a nice reinforcement.

    the video for those curious:
     
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    I love this quote! It breaks down the pseudo-perfection and stoicism of the Jedi. It alao gets kudos for being s variant of the Navy doctrine, “failure is s far greater teacher than success.”

    If only Yoda had this belief when Anakin was a Jedi Padawan and Jedi Knight.
     
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    I actually really liked seeing goofy Yoda come back. I think it was Yoda's jovial antics that helped lift Luke out of his depression. Luke needed to lighten up and have a more positive outlook on things. It worked very well in my opinion. This scene is one of the movie's gems.
     
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    I agree goofy Yoda ressurected the Jedi in Luke.

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    It's also a meta statement about the franchise (which is what the ST really is about....the legacy of these legends we speak about for hours on 1000s of website and blogs)

    The series itself has grown beyond what even Lucas thought it could be. The fandom has created so much, both good and bad. Creators have come in and created amazing characters to play with, from Thrawn to BB-8 to Kanan to Cassian, etc. Even though the creator himself may have failed at times, the franchise always chugs along.
     
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    I have literally discovered this but don't you think Ahch-To has visual similarities to the Isle of the Dead by Arnold Böcklin. There are different interpretations from the psychosexual return to the womb to analogies to the river Styx with the figure in white representing a recently deceased soul. Seems apt as Luke specifically went to the island to die.

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    Ahch-To.

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